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After his "A More Perfect Union" speech, will Obama's polling numbers increase? (measured by Gallup daily polling)

Settled as No

After deliberating settlement with Nigel the market has been settled as "No." This is because the average comes up as 0.

Background:

Everybody seems to have an opinion about "the speech". Obama received praise from Mike Huckabee and even from Hillary Clinton for the speech, while others think the speech will have a negative impact. But what will the polls show?

The market will be settled based on the average difference between Obama and Clinton in the Gallup daily poll in the seven days prior to the speech, vs. the seven days after the speech.

The results for the seven days prior are:
3/18: Clinton 49/Obama 42
3/17: Clinton 47/Obama 44
3/16: Clinton 47/Obama 45
3/15: Obama 48/Clinton 45
3/14: Obama 49/Clinton 46
3/13: Obama 50/Clinton 44
3/12: Obama 48/Clinton 46
On average, Obama lead by 0.29.

The question will be settled as YES or NO based on whether the average of (Obama [minus] Clinton) for the dates 3/19-3/25 is greater than or less than 0.29.


Settlement details: As reported at Gallup, http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup%2bDaily.aspx

 
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Settled

Yes
34%
No
66%
Activity: H$61,132
Settled as No on Fri 28th Mar 1:06pm PDT

Suspend date: Wed 26th Mar 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Fri 28th Mar 1:06pm PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Wed 26th Mar 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled

Initial likelihoods: Yes: 50%

Action history:

Created Thu 20th Mar 3:30pm PDT by triathematician
Suspended Wed 26th Mar 12:59am PDT : Suspend date reached
Settlement requested Wed 26th Mar 3:51pm PDT by jenniandboys[Admin]: Average is 0, should be settled as NO
Settlement requested Thu 27th Mar 7:23am PDT by trevorbradley: http://www.gallup.com/poll/105706/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47-Clinton-46.aspx

Looks like a No by my math... :(
Settlement requested Thu 27th Mar 9:54am PDT by orlin: Average is 0, which is less than 0.29 and answer is NO.
Settlement requested Fri 28th Mar 6:18am PDT by tertius: The Gallup poll numbers are posted on the site listed in the description and comments. It is simply a math question.
Settled as 'No' Fri 28th Mar 1:06pm PDT by ryanj[Admin]: After deliberating settlement with Nigel the market has been settled as "No." This is because the average comes up as 0.

Suspend date: Wed 26th Mar 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Fri 28th Mar 1:06pm PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Wed 26th Mar 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
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Predictions (208)

208 predictions

34 weeks ago
bout3fitty predicted Yes (H$50 at 28%)
34 weeks ago
triathematician predicted Yes (H$100 at 28%)
34 weeks ago
marks11 predicted No (H$50 at 66%)
34 weeks ago
roxana predicted Yes (H$100 at 34%)
34 weeks ago
corazon predicted Yes (H$50 at 34%)
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Comments (26)

  1 rohan
GREAT question..there has been a big debate on this
posted 34 weeks ago
  2 ladylara
.. and very well pesented, too... EXCEPT...what if the avarage falls exactly on .29 again?
We have been so starved for so long of intelligent, meaningful, political debate and discussion- this has been an amazing time! Great question.
posted 34 weeks ago
Glad you like the question. Some updates...

3/20 poll: Clinton 47/Obama 45
3/19 poll: Clinton 48/Obama 43

See also http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_Barack_Obama_retake_the_lead_in_the_Gallup_daily_poll_between_Clinton_and_Obama_and_when_4534/view
posted 34 weeks ago
I was thinking about writing a question about average weekly polling numbers between Obama/Clinton, Obama/McCain, and Clinton/McCain based on the gallup dailies. Any comments?
posted 34 weeks ago
  6 ryanj[Admin]
We have to wait until the 3/25 polls are released. The background states "3/19-3/25."

Ryan
Hubdub US Politics Content Editor
posted 34 weeks ago
Based on my calculations, this will be settled as "YES" if the 3/25 poll shows Obama with a +3 or more lead, otherwise "NO". Should be close.
posted 34 weeks ago
The market will be settled based on the average difference between Obama and Clinton in the Gallup daily poll in the seven days prior to the speech, vs. the seven days after the speech.

There was not a poll taken on Easter Sunday, March 23rd, which likely skews the averages.
posted 34 weeks ago
well, you do averages based on the number of samples....if there is no sample for sunday, the six other days must be averaged by 6.
posted 34 weeks ago
sure 'ya do ... and the results from comparing the average of 7 samples to the average of 6, will be significantly smaller than they would be otherwise. This, imnho, significantly affects the outcome.
posted 34 weeks ago
well, not to throw a wrench into the cog, but the wording of the subject actually EXCLUDES the date of the speech by referencing the seven days before vs. the seven days after.... so, here we are in another pickle...
posted 34 weeks ago
As creator of this question... it was intended to be clear in the background that the question would be settled as the average of 3/12-3/18 vs. the average of 3/19-3/25:

"The question will be settled as YES or NO based on whether the average of (Obama [minus] Clinton) for the dates 3/19-3/25 is greater than or less than 0.29."

The date of the speech was included in "before" because I assumed that it did not make a difference in that day's polls (indeed, that was the day of Clinton's biggest margin).

It is certainly possible that the missing date will change the outcome (particularly if Obama is up by 1 or 2 tomorrow), but it seems the market has already shifted to account for this.
posted 34 weeks ago
The silence on the missing date, and the resulting skewed averages, was deafening.
posted 34 weeks ago
I think the question is fine as stands with the missing date. Polling is unpredictable. Overall, the outcome is changed minimally by the missing date. The average required for yes becomes 0.33 over six days, rather than 0.29 for seven days. That doesn't seem like that much skew to me. Of course, given our knowledge of the past, it seems likely that the missing date would have had Obama at +1 or +2... with that assumption, the outcome seems likely to be different in the new scenario.
posted 34 weeks ago
  15 melmel07
why hasnt this settled yet?
posted 34 weeks ago
  16 melmel07
if this settles as No, that is frustrating. the little line chart on http://www.gallup.com/poll/105664/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Clinton-Remain-Nearly-Tied.aspx shows an obvious upward trend since the date of his speech. he was going down at a semi-alarming rate, then he gave the speech on the 17th, and like a day later his numbers began going up up up. I realize the background info says .29 blah blah so i won't freak out if it is settled as No, but this situation should be considered in the creation of future questions/regulations
posted 34 weeks ago
The Elusive National Lead

"The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking now shows Barack Obama with a 2-percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. Neither candidate has captured a double-digit lead over the other since early February, when Clinton led Obama by 11 points."

Interesting video here by the Editor In Chief of the Gallup Poll:
<http://www.gallup.com/video/105655/Elusive-National-Lead.aspx>
posted 34 weeks ago
  18 ryanj[Admin]
I've been checking the Gallup site and the results from the 25th aren't up yet. Might be put up later today. Right now the results from the 24th are up here:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105664/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Clinton-Remain-Nearly-Tied.aspx

Ryan
Hubdub US Politics Content Editor
posted 34 weeks ago
Here's your final number:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105706/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47-Clinton-46.aspx

My math has that working out at 0 exactly and a No, but it's real early and my brain isn't on yet...
posted 33 weeks ago
Yo Ryan - Settle this one! I want my hd$150!
posted 33 weeks ago
  21 ryanj[Admin]
Hi everyone,

Right now I'm deliberating with Nigel on how this will be settled. The market background contradicts itself with including 3/19 and not including 3/19. So please bare with us and when the decision is made you will be the first to know.

Regards,

Ryan
Hubdub US Politics Content Editor
posted 33 weeks ago
The speech was on the 18th, so "the seven days after the speech" and "the dates 3/19-3/25" are not contradictory. I included the dates to be explicit about what I meant by "the seven days after the speech". The seven days before the speech included 3/18 since the speech was likely not seen/heard of by those being polled.
posted 33 weeks ago
Ryan - In your deliberations, you guys know that the speech was actually ON the 18th, not the 19th, right? So the 7 days after were quite clearly 3/19-3/25. There's some room for discussion about whether the 7 days prior should include the 18th, but its pretty explicitly stated in the background that it is.

Thanks for the update!
posted 33 weeks ago
(and another comment shows up while i'm deliberating... like minds think alike!)
posted 33 weeks ago
The market background says:

Everybody seems to have an opinion about "the speech". Obama received praise from Mike Huckabee and even from Hillary Clinton for the speech,

Now the comment is made, "the speech was likely not seen/heard of by those being polled."

posted 33 weeks ago
  26 mrblooize
I hold the opinions of Huckabee and Clinton in the same high regard as my ex mother in law's...just a tad above Wright's.
posted 33 weeks ago

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