The other Category can be: another as of yet unreported on candidate (Independent) or a event which causes no election to be held.
Details
- Question status: Open
- Suspend date: Mon 3rd Nov 11:59pm PST (24 weeks to go)
- Settlement details: As reported by a major mainstream news source. The question will be decided by who becomes the next President in 2009. It can be settled early if it is deemed no extraordinary situation occurs, 2000 election case in point. If one does occur than the market is decided by who enters the oval office in 2009.
- Initial likelihoods:
John McCain: 25%, Mike Huckabee: 10%, Ron Paul: 3%, Ralph Nader: 3%, Mike Bloomberg: 7%, Hillary Clinton: 25%, Barack Obama: 25%, Other: 2%
Action history
Created Sat 9th Feb 6:43am PST by
ryanj
Edited Sat 8th Mar 5:17pm PST by
diana
Suspended Mon 7th Apr 1:27pm PST by
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Reviewing
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No ontoward activity
Suspended Wed 9th Apr 5:51pm PST by
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Market suspended to examine potential market malfunction.
Unsuspended Thu 10th Apr 4:56am PST by
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I have changed the make prediction screen so that if you cannot get a prediction at the price you expect, no prediction will be made. I think this should eliminate the crazy movement in this market. Please flag again if it continues to go completely crazy
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Prediction Graph
Who will be the next President of the U.S.?
If this was representative the democrats would lead 4:1 which looks quite unrealistic to me.
But keep in mind: Hubdub is used by non-americans too!
And there´s one thing I know for sure. After 8 years of Bush, 99% of the rest of the world will pray for a democrat to win!
The last thing the world needs is another chickenhawk who threatens anyone unable to fight back.
So is Obama under-priced at 42% (as I write this)
You know, someone should put up a question like, "will the Dems beat Bush in '08?" Ah well, I guess the R's are still running against Bill.
viva hitlary!
McCain supporters...... sorry got no suggestions for you....5 month media ignore period until he names a VP....unless he gets sick or has a scandal.
On a side note (since there is no way to communicate directly and this is the closest we have to passing a note in study hall) thanks for inviting me to your friends list. I accepted. However you should have let me know you are a Steelers fan.... In the interest of full disclosure I am a Browns fan. I will not hold it against you that you have chosen to follow the dark side....some of my best friends are Steeler's fans....most of them require a dose of their daily medication as well.
My favorite Browns Steelers memory of course is Joe "Turkey" Jones planting Terry Bradshaw on his head (a place which could not be damaged). If you are unfamiliar of this than you are too young to be a worthy adversary. ;)
keep bidding up obama, please!!!
<http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_win_the_most_delegates_in_the_Wyoming_Democratic_caucuses_on_March_8_3801/View>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6191C4oK6s0
*lol*
In Hubdub just like voting, dumb people have their say too!!
you haven't taken the pulse of the day ...
Obama has played THE "CARD".
His support will quickly vanish in the next few weeks.
please see http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_Obama_drop_out_of_the_race_before_30th_April__3737/view for more discussion.
To the few of you that haven't read the comments on the question that jersjustrolling linked to, Jers has inside secret reliable sources that the leading candidate in the democratic race is going to drop out before April 30th.
I believe the Republicans didn't roll out Jeb Bush because of the Bush fatigue is wearing on the country. I believe he will be rolled out in 2016. I imagine there are other republicans that are senators or govenors that might have been better candidates than McCain, but I think what you saw in this election primary on the Republican side was that McCain benefitted from Romney and Huckabee splitting the conservative vote and allowing McCain to win some states. Look at the results in Florida, if only 60% of Huckabees votes would have chosen Romney he would have carried Florida. The Rudy vote here in florida was enough to push either candidate over the top as well, and in Florida we can vote early up to 2 weeks, so people were voting here before any of the candidates but Rudy made thier way down here.
Again, I'm betting strongly on this to make my point, this isn't just rhetoric here.
Obama is unelectable in November. There are too many voters that even in 2008 will not cast their votes for a black man. McCain lines up better against him than he does against Clinton. The Republicans have to absolutely be drooling over this Wright material and how they can use it against Obama in Nov. I can see the ads now....
I do however want to disagree with historyteacher about him being electable. There may be a lot of people who don't want to vote for a black man but I would think the vast majority of them wouldn't vote for a woman either. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them are Republican anyway so its somewhat moot. The amazing voter turnout this election suggests that the Democratic electorate is pretty excited about both the ethnic and the gender minority having a shot at the white house and I think when it comes down to it we'll vote for either one.
(Look there's me speaking for all the Democrats in America! I like the little emoticsons on GetSatisfaction.. wish I could sign off with one here.)
I did not however get up and walk out of the service. I rolled my eyes and wrote notes back and forth to my husband and then proceeded to move on. You will definitely not agree with everything that your pastor says. You take the good stuff and ignore the other stuff. A pastor is also a small element in the importance and power of a church. Most of your interactions and growth come from the people and not the pastor. The ministries and people make a church, not a single person.
I have lots more to say on this but am late for an appt.
I agree with what you say about how a church is more than its minister/priest and that you will not agree with everything the person says. However, in the case of Rev. Wright, much has been written about how he built this church, how loyal his following is, etc. This is a church that clearly has been centered on the minister. Additionally, Obama has made much in the past about the role Wright personally played in his life, he has stressed Wright more than the church, so that makes this a fair topic to question Obama on.
I appreciate you saying that you support Obama and so you see his speech through the eyes of a supporter. I did not vote for him so I see it through different, but equally biased eyes. However, ask yourself this. If McCain attended a church where the minister had made racist, sexist or anti-semitic comments and tried to justify prejudice by saying the victims asked for it (such as Wright's ludicrous 9/11 comments) would you question why McCain continued to be a member of the church? Equally if McCain had a membership in a country club that had a history of discriminatory policies wouldn't it be a fair question to ask him why he chose to be a member?
Is there some kind of numeric overflow happening here, or some design-flaw, ala (size of floating-integer type)?
After the democrat candidate is chosen, neither remaining candidate should be running under 45 percent, at worst.
Better yet, I'm just going to sit on my McCain and Obama bets until the rest of the world figures out the Hillary can't win.
I also agree with MEASURE - McCain will be in a dog fight with either Dem. He's worth at least 45%.
-- The State Department says security on Barack Obama's passport file has been breached, campaign officials tell CNN.
Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:05
Clinton's a longshot.
Don't tell jersjusttrolling this type of information, I like that Hillary is so expensive right now. Makes the other two better bets.
As the old saying goes, "the first reports from the battlefield are always wrong".
Not gonna search for a link, go google it if you care.
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/rod_parsleys_free_pass_1.php?page=all
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mccain-spiritual-guide-ac_n_92757.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23448170/
And Erik, thanks for making me waste the last half hour in a vain attempt to educate you fools.
Just kidding.
Kinda.
And quit misquoting me, I never called them "advisor's."
Easy money - I just don't know how long it will take!
I wonder if that isn't what's going on here this year: It's a big deal to TALK Obama, THINK Clinton, and when they get to the actual election, I wonder if the same people aren't going to VOTE McCain...
With our heads held high and our friends applauding!
a citizen, in and of themselves, do not own the US.
all citizens, collectively, own this country. If issues become serious enough for the masses to feel the pain, we have the voting booth. Our leaders know it, and know they can be thrown out, if they don't adhere to the majority rule.
Please go to these links and post a protest as well and HELP the HubDub Community regain it's integrity!
http://www.hubdub.com/public/contact
^ There's an email form on that page ^
Post your decision at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/i_am_on_strike
lucidstates (dismayed)
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/proposed_new_procedure_for_dealing_with_gaming?
This ongoing problem stems from this:
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Why_is_it_that_Satyaki_keeps_creating_Lahore_Badshahs_vs_xyz_team_questions_yet_Donal_doent_void_them_5294/view#newcomment
Here is the LATEST proposal from hubdub admins that they desire our say on:
Admins want a 4 strikes and your out process:
Proposed new procedure for dealing with gaming
Hubdub Representative
To date we have dealt with gaming on a case by case basis. However it has become clear that we need to have a defined process for dealing with individuals that game. Therefore this is our proposed procedure:
1. First identified instance/set of instances: Email warning
2. Second identified instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined 50% of worth
3. Third instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined down to H$1,000
4. Any subsequent instance will result in their ability to create questions removed and potentially suspension of their account.
We propose to apply this procedure for all new instances of gaming however some users are on their first warning and one user is on their second warning.
HOWEVER, several of us users are calling for a MUCH stiffer penalty process and this is our overall latest proposal back to the admins:
We want a 3 strikes you're out process:
1. First identified instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined 50% of worth.
2. Second instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks to 30 days) and fined down to H$1,000. AND removal of the gamers' right to create question for a period of time.
3. Any subsequent instance will result in definite, permanent suspension of their account, their IP and all other accounts by the gamer.
Have your say and please add your input at the area the admins have set up for this purpose:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/proposed_new_procedure_for_dealing_with_gaming?
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
It reminds me of the oft-quoted comment defining owning a boat as, "a hole, (surrounded by water) that you continually pour money into"
Last night I bought Obama, twice, at 25%. Go figure!
Could one of the admins let us know what the (approximate) actual amount of H$ is in this market?
(as opposed to the "total activity" figure)
Someone, apparently, keeps buying Clinton.
This market needs to be defraged ;-) something still isn't right with the way this market moves.
(see above 2 or 3 comments)
Regards,
Ryan
Hubdub US Politics Content Editor
The numbers keep swinging and you finally see a favorable opening to your WRONG purchase price. And **bling** -- it takes another 45 seconds to complete the sale transaction and (again, no surprise) -- YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU ARE PROMISED.
This is the "all-time" hubdub RUSSIAN ROULETTE PREDICTION MARKET. Take a spin and see what you get!
Look for Bill in there !
Maybe Clinton and McCain had negative stories about them which was found by a hubduber before any major news network!
@ everyone else - I know a major wager was placed on Ralph Nader then a big wager on bloomberg, part of me felt it was throwing money away just to, but how can we ever stop that. After the nomination the odds should be about 50-50 or so, so they seem pretty close to accurate now.
Last night I suspended the market because of the wonky graph. Chris took a look at the market to examine it for any malfunctions. He unsuspended the market with this explanation :
"I have changed the make prediction screen so that if you cannot get a prediction at the price you expect, no prediction will be made. I think this should eliminate the crazy movement in this market. Please flag again if it continues to go completely crazy."
So if the wonkiness continues please inform me, but hopefully this will fix the problem with the market.
Regards,
Ryan
Hubdub US Politics Content Editor
shouldn't it always be ensured that if a wager is made, it is done using the percentages show in the dialog to the user?
i mean, isn't that what also applies to the DOW markets? I've seen that functionality there before and i wonder if there are different implementations of this screen around ...
(McCain was at 20% last night for a short time!)
I think the cap is 123
I made a prediction at 27% and graph up top now shows that prediction at 34%. but to cash it in I will LOSE HD$.
How is this?
Thanks.
You get a percentage based on the current value of the option in combination with the amount of your stake.
Say: Current percentage of the option is 50%, you stake 10000 H$, will lead to having your stake at eg. 52% and rises the value of the option to 55%.
Cashing in will give you back the 1000 H$ at 52%, the value of the option will drop back to 50%.
This only works, if NO ONE ELSE makes stakes in the mean time. I think, in your case, someone else made predictions on other options so your stake value moved.
This question here is a very volatile market btw.
We've been looking at the market and so far it seems to be running fine. It is very volatile due to all the bets placed on it every day. But the dynamics of the market are running as smooth as possible. If anyone has anyone has nay other questions please do flag or email me.
Cheers,
Ryan
Hubdub US Politics Content Editor
The first couple weekends of my Hubdub life I kept this page up ALL day Sat and Sun. Several times an hour I would pause my game/movie/chatting to return to this page hoping for a 'good-deal'.
Back then Hillary had more value than today, and whenever anyone bought/sold H$1000 on anyone of the three I'd purchase H$100 on the best deal. The market would quickly even back out to what it was before as other users and myself bought up the good deals.
I'm betting that there are nearly as many SELLERS each day as BUYERS, meaning the total activity here is way over the amount left in.
I made a prediction at 27% and graph up top now shows that prediction at 34%. but to cash it in I will"
I agree with you. I placed at 28% for McCain yesterday. His numbers are up today. However, it claims I placed in at McCain at over 40%! When was the last time McCain was 40%?? It also says I can cash at 27% despite it currently being 36%. This one is messed up!
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