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This question was voidedDetails
- Question status: Voided
- Settlement details: As reported by donal.
- Initial likelihoods: Because Donal is too lazy to check up.: 12%, Because he doen't want to check up.: 13%, Because satyaki blackmailed him.: 12%, Because he himself wants to make money.: 13%, Why? Why not.: 12%, Because he's overworked.: 13%, Because no one else cares.: 12%, Other.: 13%
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Created Thu 3rd Apr 3:32am PST by 
rohan
rohan
Voided Thu 3rd Apr 4:07am PST by 
donal![[Admin]](http://www.hubdub.com/images/icon_admin.gif "This user is an admin")
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donal: Not a settleable question 
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/ICL__Heroes_vs_Badshahs__13th_March__4044/view
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/ICL_Lions_vs_Badshahs_4211/view
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/ICL__Giants_vs_Badshahs_4673/view
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/ICL_Tigers_vs_Badshahs_28th_March_4678/view
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/ICL_Rockets_vs_Badshahs_30th_March_4912/view
People, your opinion is valued. Please come and leave your comments here
on events that are established reasonably and with an educated beginning odd spread. In all fairness and upstanding sportsman-like honest competition. Imagine a site where that could happen!
Certainly will not happen here the way things are going...
I'm torn on the void-worthiness of this. All sports questions should be 50-50 in my opinion. A team can either win or lose, two choices.
But then again, I'm in the negative thousands on the sports questions, so what do I know...
I will say that I'm dissspointed that the admins didn't catch this first, and I worry about how much more gaming is taking place under the radar.
Shame on you, Satyaki. Shame....on....you!
= )
I'm torn on the void-worthiness of this.
All sports questions should be 50-50 in my opinion. A team can either win or lose, two choices.
But then again, I'm in the negative thousands on the sports questions, so what do I know...
I will say that I'm dissspointed that the
admins didn't catch this first, and I worry about how much more gaming is taking place under the radar.
Shame on you, Satyaki. Shame....on....you!
= )
What I also noticed is the verrry late responses of admins to settlement requests (if any).
Starting a Question with obviously skewed odds is very shameful.
Satyaki, I love the irony of how stupid you look after trying to appear smarter than you are. All over HD$! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
I think this is the smoking gun but I still hope we are wrong about you Satyaki.
In the meantime you are de-friended. TAKE THAT!! lol
satyaki has been found out before. he has been warned more than once.
IF this 'gaming' ordeal is found to be truth, then satyaki needs to 'go to the moon', alice.
a) delete his account.
b) void each and every question that he has created.
c) take his account profile picture and create a Hubdub wall of shame.
d) remove all of his shouts from my profile.
e) report to all hubdubbers what has been done on the wall of shame.
imho, he has abused the system, and abused my friendship.
bye bye satyaki, you are defriended.
I heard that the Hubdub Commandos have just boarded the HubStealthCopter. One of them (I think it was Donal), was carrying the little black box. Oh no!
"bang zoom straight to the moon!"
Also, great idea for "Wall of Shame".....
....unless someone decides that their goal is to make it to the top of the wall of shame, then you have players competing for positions on the wall of shame like a wall of shame leaderboard......loserboard.....
Also, all users that have been tagged as gamers should be removed from the Leaderboards.
Please. Thanks.
= )
if so, the answer is no freakin' way!
What a shame, what a shame :-(
And for hubdub to just flag his profile I think is an okay tactic IF he'd only done this once or twice, BUT HUBDUB HAS A LIST OF EVERYTHING HE HAS EVER DONE on this site, EVERY H$ HE'S MADE AND HOW and thatttttt is why I think hubdub admins are doing a poor job over this situation.
I looooooooooove the hubdub admins soooo much, I send em comments allot and I thank them constantly for doing a great job with this site, but I was unaware before now, of this massive problem in the system and I am saddened that they are taking such a weak response to it.
Satyaki seems to think he's invincible and he seems to be laughing it off, like his own profile boasts, and THAT is why I think hubdub needs to show that they will NOT tolerate insolent arrogant cowardice and cheating.
For the integrity of the game, hubdub PLEASE do something about Satyaki!
lucidstates
in fact, i think your suggestion has merit, and would vote for this feature if considered by Hubdub.
it provides a certain level of oversight, however doesn't cover those positions that are cashed out prior to settlement. maybe a complete listing where cashed-out wagers could be viewed as well.
STFU
Noone cares what you think anymore.
After we were notified by a number of users that Satyaki was gaming markets we investigated to find that he had indeed created questions which he had subsequently made large predictions that indicated that the starting estimates were way out. We were slow in picking this up initially as our knowledge of Indian cricket leagues isn't great. In Satyaki's defence the questions were made (using his own account) some time in advance of the predictions. However it is fairly clear that this still counts as gaming.
After we concluded that Satyaki had been gaming we put him on the watch list which then shows up on his profile. This will remain on his profile for 2 weeks. If there are no further incidents of gaming then it will be removed. If there is his account will be fined.
We were slightly reluctant in releasing the public watch list marker as we don't want to create lynch mob justice. By all means make it clear that you don't appreciate gaming however don't let it get personal. Satyaki has been an active contributor to Hubdub over the past couple of months (and not just Roadies questions!). I expect he will emerge from the two weeks of purgatory a reformed character.
Your response leads me to want to ask more questions.
Since you acknowledge Satyaki has gamed the site is it not time to remove the word "suspected" from his profile?
The only repercussion Satyaki has recieved from hubdub other than humiliation is that he is now being "watched". Are we not all being watched?
How much did Satyaki earn off of questions of which he authored with obviously skewed starting odds? Is it more than what percentage of hubdub users?
Unless Satyaki is penalized with at least the earnings he has made from these bets the credibility of this site is tarnished. We can all be reminded of this whenever we look at his name on the leader board.
I suggest hubdub find a way to prevent people from authoring questions with unreasonable starting odds. Perhaps an incentive?
thanks for your input at getsatisfaction.
don't get bothered by this topic too much, don't start pics4d-ing around.
is the play less fun just because one is cheating? consider real life.
keep in mind the hubdub responsibles must be very restrictive when penalizing players.
nigle is right pointing out the tendencies of a lynch mob. (we should be more subtle maybe :) - i mean sd has still 32 so called friends on his profile. ...)
I just want to say, take a deep breath before disqualifying anyone from this site.
Just my 2 $H on this.
It no longer is.
If Satyaki has any self respect he should retire his account and start over.
I wonder if hubdub cannot respond appropriatly since the precedent of not penalizing pet users has already been set behind closed doors.
he successfully forced you to leave. give him that victory? come on guys ...
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/proposed_new_procedure_for_dealing_with_gaming
Let me know what you think.
Come on man, take away his UNEARNED winnings! Satyaki says on his own profile that He ALWAYS gets the last laugh, what kind of message do YOU think he's received anyway?, and also, WHY IN THE NAME OF PETEY PETE PETERSON are his CHEAT winnings STILL IN HIS ACCOUNT?
My gosh, holy moses and freakin gee wiz, what planet are we on? AHHHHH I could freakin' pull all my hair out!
Let me give readers some examples of discipline that are used EVERYDAY in this world:
1. In the NFL, if YOU cheat by blocking a player 10 yards down field, YOU GET PENALIZED 10 YARDS! If you cheat and block him 50 yards down field, YOU GET PENALIZED 50 YARDS!
What is so hard to understand about that??? Take away cheaters' UNEARNED Winnings! That's entirely FAIR!
2. In soccer, if you cheat and the ball goes into the goal, IT GETS TAKEN BACK OUT and the game goes on!
3. In Hockey, if the puck goes into the goal BUT a player cheated getting it there, IT GETS TAKEN BACK OUT!
4. In Nascar, if a driver wins the checkered flag, then they notice he had an illegal gas thing a ma jig, He Gets Disqualified and the runner up wins!
5. In The Olympics, if ANY athlete is caught cheating, THEIR MEDALS ARE TAKEN AWAY!
6. Do I reallllly need to go on? Is this not getting through to anyone yet?
I love hubdub, and I have been an active contributor to the site, BUT I DON'T CHEAT and in fact, most of my own questions I've NEVER bet on anyway.
This garbage reminds me of the NFL / Patriots scandal last year, if the NFL had had some guts, they'd of REALLY penalized the Patriots declaring to the sporting world that CHEATERS NEVER WIN if caught that is, but instead, they flumped around to "save the integrity of the Patriots" hmmm sounds mighty familiar doesn't it? and now there have been lawsuits, thousands of news stories and articles calling into question everything from the commissioners oversight, to the Patriots' last 9 seasons, to the hotdog vendors and what they put in those "special weeners" haha, Just Kidding on that last one.
My point is, you hubdub admins are making this situation worse by not PENALIZING a KNOWN cheater, *BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION I might add*, and the rest of us REAL legit players are dismayed cause now our legit playing seems POINTLESS and USELESS to try to win, because lil cheater Saty gets to CRUSH us in the standings by using HGH or in this case ICL, haha, and we all have to sit back and take it like a bunch of helpless yaps?
Come on guys, no one likes this, if you hubdub admins would just DEAL with it, NOT how we "lynch mobs" would, but in a REAL way, like for example, TAKE AWAY HIS CHEATED WINNINGS, then we'd all be totally happy and this ugly situation would totally disappear!
But as long as you admins won't DEAL with this, it will only cause more problems, more cheating, more message board rants (like this one) and will continue to diminish the REAL players' enthusiasm for this site.
I am not ranting because I like it, I am ranting because I feel utterly screwed over, not any longer by Satyaki, I now feel screwed over by the AUTHORITIES IN CHARGE! It's like I'm being assaulted and a cop is standing by saying, "Hey now Satyaki, here's a warning, wear this "I'm an assaulter" sticker for 2 weeks, if you assault anyone again, we will then fine you $50, now you just stop assaulting people."
COME ON! I feel utterly helpless while the admins just sit back and play politics? I do NOT question your right to rule this site! I looove your right to rule this site, cause if you didn't, we'd REALLY have a mess o our hands.
I am questioning your ability and DESIRE to keep it fair and FUN for all, because right now, it is NOT either of those!
We do NOT want you guys to be bossed around by us players, we are SIMPLY asking for JUSTICE here, and what is justice? Is it taking Satyaki and giving him 50 lashes? No! Is it a lynch mob doing harm to someone? No! .... It is simple, T.A.K.E. A.W.A.Y. H.I.S. U.N.E.A.R.N.E.D. W.I.N.N.I.N.G.S. so that his cheating ONLY Gained Him NOTHING, zero, zilch, nada, 0!
That is totally logical, that is TOTALLY Just, that is totally FAIR, that is what would happen in ANY OTHER GAME ON THIS EARTH!
I am done ranting now, I need a freakin' massage and a latte! :-P
Thanks everyone for putting your 2 H$ into this discussion, I hope that we can all move on and enjoy the hubdub community going forward, IF hubdub will simply do what's right and penalize ONLY the gains that Satyaki should not have ever earned!
I am NOT asking for ANYTHING but simple children could understand justice! Take away what SHOULD NEVER have been his off those ICL questions, Nothing more, but Nothing Less!
Satyaki STOLE from you guys and from the rest of hubdub players, TAKE AWAY his stolen loot, but leave ALL the rest of his money alone! That's all I ask!
lucidsates
for my part I think a penalty would really be needed. sorry if i have not been clear. what i just dont like is our reaction as a community. please give the admins a chance to react on what is going on since the last 24 hours.
hubdub is beta (weak plea, I know) and doesnt know how to handle this situation in a well regulated way. this is their fault, of course, they should have made their minds up on this the first time sd was catched, which they obviously did not do.
Theoretical Conversation:
"Houston we have a problem!
Steve: "The ship is sinking sir! And Satyaki is at fault!"
Sir: "Ummmm okay Steve, hurry, write a new procedure for how we UNSINK this ship."
Steve: "Yes Sir!"
Sir: "And Steve also write a procedure on how we can discipline FUTURE sinkers."
Steve: "Yes Sir, Captain Sir!"
Sir: "However Steve, WE DID NOT have a procedure in place when he SANK our ship, so umm, do NOT penalize him for that, but put an asterisk next to his name in the locker room and yeah, that should do it."
Steve: "Okayyyy Sir, I can do that. But Sir, if I may, wouldn't it be common sense to take away his UNEARNED winnings?"
Sir: "STEVE, Do Not Question Authority! Just put it up for a vote by the men!"
Steve: "Yes Sir!"
I want people to vote on something: Should Satyaki have his cheat winnings taken away or should he keep it cause there was no "procedure" in place when HE KNOWINGLY CHEATED?
hubdub admins, PLEASSSE understand that I am not bashing you guys, I am not mad at you per se, I am so upset because now this procedure appears INSTEAD OF COMMON SENSE saying to take away the winnings ONLY from those ICL bets!
That is simple! If he bet on ICL and made $100, then take away the $100 ... If he used that $100 to make $2,000 elsewhere, LEAVE that $2,000 alone, JUST take away the ACTUAL winnings from those particular bets.
That is simple justice. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. That is Biblical from thousands of years ago! Are we so advanced that we can't think with common sense and justice anymore?
We gotta write a procedure to do so? Please think this through better guys.
Then we can all shut up and play the game as it WAS before Satyaki started this whole mess!
lucidstates
I hear you man, and I want to apologize to the hubdub community at large and the admins for freaking out. I am sorry for my overreaction. I do understand that hubdub has never dealt with this before and so I should give them the benefit of the doubt.
kruijs I thank you for showing me that I went kinda nuts, I do need to "ask" hubdub to deal with this responsibly and yes, it IS in beta, so I shouldn't slam them too hard, I admit. I was wrong.
So in a calm manner I want to restate it. hubdub, please use some common sense and take away what should not have been Satyaki's, nothing more, and we will all go our separate ways and play nice from now on.
A kid (Satyaki) punched me while I was on the monkey bars, I am not asking to be allowed to punch him back, as that is revenge and it is wrong, I am asking you hubdub to simply penalize him, not just give him an "I'm a bad kid sticker" but a tooth for a tooth, not his whole mouth and 24 teeth, but simple 1 tooth for the 1 tooth extra he should not have.
Thank you for listening, I am now going to eat some dinner and then come back and make some more predictions and "try" to forget this ever happened,
lucidstates
P.S. Suggestion to "Satyaki's" friends and those of us who are not on his friends list, BLOCK him..... I did this yesterday, I simply clicked on the "BLOCK" button below his name. I don't know what good this does, but I just wanted hubdub to see a "block" on Satyaki's account, for whatever that may mean to them.
obviously the regularities for these situations dont fit in what the community (common sence) expects. Lets tell them what we would like the rules to be:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/proposed_new_procedure_for_dealing_with_gaming
lucidstates
I hear you man, I am sooooo sorry for the predicament they've put you in. I think this is pathetic and stinks! I wish they'd just deal with it so we can all keep going. You are right Crudsy, he has NO right to be on that leaderboard! Sorry Crudsy that all your hard legit work has been for not maybe :-( I know you've worked super hard to be in the top ranks, and even though I work really hard to make money on this site, I am only up 1,500% in 3 months, and that is EXCELLENT for me, but I would feel exactly like you do if I'd been up like 400,000%!!! Again dude, I am sorry they've allowed this bummer to happen to all your dedicated hard work man :-(
lucidstates
Why do you guys want to hold up 1 guy and put down 5,500+ because, well, who knows why you are acting this way!
But the point is, we the sites members are not after you admins! We simply want you admin CONTROLLERS to control this situation and site with a high level of integrity!
Is integrity TOO much to ask of a site's owners? Well? Answer us, come on, we did not pick Satyaki out of a list of hubdubbers and all start emailing each other and saying "Hey guys, lets find some hubdubber to pick on this week!"
We are real players with real ambitions to be the best predictors that we can be, and now this garbage is going on for about a month and you guys simply ignore our fears and our desires for a just, ethical, integrity based hubdub.com!
We did not care WHO Satyaki was, until he started cheating and You Admins started covering up for him. I say covering up because by not penalizing him, you are endorsing his actions because you refuse to be ethical in this situation!
Satyaki was also a great number of people's friend, UNTIL this happened and now we have comments made by lots of people, in lots of areas around hubdub and it's making this place look like a childish fist fight!
53 comments and counting!
Why don't you fix this problem and take his cheated dollars away?!?!
And to make matters worse, SATYAKI IS STILL AT IT!!!!!!!!!! I just flagged another of his questions as he listed an 80% to 20% likelihood of an outcome and then was so bold, so brash, as to leave 2 comments on that very question saying to US players "to not blame him if the 80% team wins!"
What an absolute in your face showing of his intentions! How is that even allowed? Shouldn't sports games be closer to 50/50? I know not allllll games are really 50/50, but come on, Satyaki has been doing this for weeks and hubdub allows him to do it again for the next game on Sunday?
This is sooo unethical and I feel we are being played the fool now!
Here is a link to Satyaki's latest junk:
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/ICL__Heroes_vs_Badshahs__6th_April__5354/view
lucidstates (angry)
P.S. You guys like the (angry) ... I figure since it is so popular and I think it was a brilliant idea for hubdub to add (these) next to people's names, I really do, they are awesome and I know we players love them, hehehe, so now I will post my (mood) next to my name, when I am appalled at something, like I am with this (situation)!
http://www.hubdub.com/public/contact
^ There's an email form on that page ^
Please do not be mean, or cruel, or obscene, or anything like that, but please make it clear that this situation MUST be resolved and resolved ASAP!
A sample letter may be as simple as this (please send whatever you feel, this is just an outline):
HubDub Administrators:
I (username) proclaim at this moment, that I will not wager another Hdollar nor create any further questions on Hubdub, until this matter is settled.
I believe that it is my right as a member of this site, to expect the highest level of integrity on the part of hubdubs administrators and that even though it is still in beta form, this does not make right the decision on your parts to allow cheaters to prosper at the expense of the rest of the hubdub community.
I believe that cheating is wrong and any known cheating must be disciplined as soon as it becomes known and not allowed to fester. This lack of ethical conduct on the part of the cheater in question is not being dealt with ethically by hubdub, therefore, I am renouncing my support of hubdub.com entirely, until a fair conclusion to this matter has been decided and acted upon up to and possibly including the removal of (Satyaki) from membership.
It is my concrete belief that the legitimacy and reputation of this entire game is at stake and I will no longer participate in a game that is "fixed" against the ethical and rules following players, and placed in the favor of unethical and rule breaking members.
I declare to you admins, that you have treated ALL legitimate hubdubbers in an unethical manner, you have disrespected those who love and support the game and have potentially fed a "gaming" environment that actually encourages cheating against the upright in this hubdub community.
Until this issue is resolved in an agreeable manner, you have lost (username) as a loyal member of this site and I will no longer sing the praises of hubdub.com to anyone, nor invite anyone I know to join, until this matter is resolved.
Sincerely,
(username)
I do not know if that is a good letter, but I do encourage ALL members to send "A" letter to hubdub immediately, or else we are just spinning our wheels and I desperately do NOT want to lose this awesome site, especially do to a punk like (Satyaki)!!! If this was any other social networking site, he'd have been banned by now!
lucidstates (dismayed)
thanks
Dude we all agree with you, but there are lots of "social networking sites" out there and we do not want this site to be like the rest, it is a game/social networking site, but the "game" part is losing it's luster when we can't play for real cause Satyaki is skewing the leaderboard!
I am not leaving this site, I love this site as all others do, but michael, the argument is about ethics and legitimacy! If abuse gets started at this early a stage in the development of this site, then it'll just be garbage in a few months and will crash and burn.
The only reason people are so upset and "going on strike" is because we care about hubdub tooooo much to let a scum bag destroy it.
So please join us and protest this wrong being committed against us legit players :-)
Thanks for your unput michael, it is most appreciated and it only goes to show the admins that this bad situation is growing.
lucidstates
The sooner we get lots to strike, the sooner it will be over and then we can all get back to business as fun as it was 48 hours ago :-D
lucidstates
Join the strike then do this on the description in your "profile" under your pic!
This user: Is On Strike!
Learn more at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/i_am_on_strike
lucidstates (feeling optimistic)
I will NOT wager until user satyaki is removed from the site entirely.
I'm jersjusttrolling, and I approved this messasge.
LucidStates - Is Now On Strike!
I am sickened by this! We should not have ever had to go on strike and get all into a tizzy over some lousy cheat! Why does hubdub allow this trash to continue unabated?
lucidstates (feeling cautiously optimistic)
Please go to these links and post a protest as well and HELP the HubDub Community regain it's integrity!
http://www.hubdub.com/public/contact
^ There's an email form on that page ^
Post your decision at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/i_am_on_strike
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
-michael
I want to make it clear that I am
NOT
defending satyaki's actions: it's just that I felt going on "strike" and posting comments aren't sensible means to get what you want. But then, looking at the non-responsive staff, I think that that is the only way to go. Though I don't wanna go on strike.
I think that these measures hould be taken:
1. When questions are made which repreent local interests, by any user, then the question should be flagged and suspended. A user who actually knows something about this should be consulted and they should provide substantiated proof that the question is OK or not.
2. Satyaki: Reduce his H$ to $25,000. I don't think anything could be more bugging to him. ban him from creating more than 2 questions a week, which if voided for a gaming-related reason will lead to a fine of 25% of his wealth or double his wager, as the case may be.
3. Hubdub: become more responsive. PLEASE.
Can anyone tell me why 4 of the TOP 20 players have gone on strike, for ANY OTHER reason then to protect the integrity of this site?
You would NOT have the best players voluntarily choosing to NOT PLAY a game that they absolutely dominate UNLESS there was significant reason to do so, and you know why they are the top players? Because they've put in a ton of time and loyalty to this precious hubdub community and along comes Satyaki less then 2 months ago and starts raping players who are playing honestly!
I am shocked that the hubdub admins, whom I've respected and adored since they invented this fantastic concept, are ignoring the pleas and the desires of the very members who've been instrumental in getting this site moving along strong!
We are part of the first original members and hubdub is treating us like we do not matter and instead are spoon feeding a cheat, and an arrogant cheater at that! On Satyaki's on profile he says that he "ALWAYS GETS THE LAST LAUGH :-D :-D" and then posted a comment for all of us to see, mocking us by saying that "I AM SUSPECTED FOR GAMING
A reminder for anyone who doesn't look at the box under my picture."
What a snob, what a cheat and he doesn't care because he knows that hubdub is not doing anything to stop him and HE STILL has his dishonest questions up and hubdub refuses to even respond to ANYONE's concerns about further cheating by this Satyaki!THAT is why we are striking though it is annoying as snot to do so! It's pathetic that hubdub has allowed this to get soooo out of hand!
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
Anyone know of any other game site like this? While we strike, we might as well start looking for another site that might one day be as good as this one. Anyone check Google lately?
lucidstates (This player: Is On Strike)
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/i_am_on_strike
go over to satyali's house and get his mother to give him a good spanking
They are in Europe and that means that they've been sleeping for about 4-5 hours and still have 4-5 to go before they return to *And I say this cautiouslllllly* "running the site."
So admins when you guys wake from your slumber and see that hubdub is filled with complaints, comments, protests and that a STRIKE has occurred in the US (one of your BIGGEST if not THE biggest market) whilst you guys were asleep, I sincerely hope that you see the error in NOT dealing with a cheater like the whole rest of mankind deals with cheaters for the last several thousand years!
PLEASE fix this mess and BAN the cheat! Look at the http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/i_am_on_strike and see what your most LOYAL players are saying as ways to fix this wrong ..... That is if you guys know right from wrong.
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
i am in no way contradicting you and bear no malice
but
if one was to be writing a thesis on the affects of cyber stress, then their opening statement and conclusion could be based on the paradox of a ranting lucid state
lol
I LOOVE these proposed rules!!! I have just ONE problem, THEY DO NOT SEEM to want to make these new rules apply to Satyaki!
I love them, I am in total agreement with hubdub admins over the new rules, BUT APPLY IT TO SATYAKI and take away 50% of his money as you suggested!
Here is what hubdub is proposing:
Proposed new procedure for dealing with gaming
Hubdub Representative
To date we have dealt with gaming on a case by case basis. However it has become clear that we need to have a defined process for dealing with individuals that game. Therefore this is our proposed procedure:
* First identified instance/set of instances: Email warning
* Second identified instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined 50% of worth
* Third instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined down to H$1,000
* Any subsequent instance will result in their ability to create questions removed and potentially suspension of their account.
* We propose to apply this procedure for all new instances of gaming however some users are on their first warning and one user is on their second warning.
I like these, I think they are perfect, but I am asking hubdub admins that they MUST apply RULE #2 to Satyaki and fine him 50% of his worth, because THEY NEW he was cheating for weeks and Satyaki admitted to it a while ago.
If they do this, which is entirely fair and just ... I will rejoin the hubdub game, otherwise, forget it, they have shown an unwillingness to deal with this mega cheater (as he is now #4 out of 5,547)!!!!!!!
I will NOT participate in a game where a known cheater is allowed to maintain his cheat gotten #4 ranking, that is pathetic!
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
Hahahahaha, dude seriously, you have now made me less stressed out twice, hehe :-D Thanks man, woh I should never have quit smoking, wow I want a drag right now, hahaha :-D
I hear you man, I have gotten too stressed out about this and I am no longer in a "lucidstate" hahahaha ... And Satyaki / the admins, though they are at fault for this de-lucid state I am in, I should control my blood pressure, hahahaha, otherwise I may never reach 30y.o :-P
I am going to turn on some music, drink some coffee, get a snack :-D All this fighting for my rights has gotten me hungry as a, ummmmm, a something that's really hungry :-)
formerly: lucidstates ;-) (This user: Is On Strike) - along with Destry, Mork, MeanderinSearcher, JersJustTrolling, anyone else's name I forgot, and yours truly, oh wait, I already said my name :-P
Between yours making me laugh and this one making me all warm a fuzzy, I am happy again :-D Hehe :-P
My $ hubdub is up
The question could be titled:
What Will the Admins do About Satyaki's Cheating Scandal?
The Settlement details could be:
This question is, will the hubdub admins do any one of the following things to Satyaki by the end of the week?
And the options could be:
Option #1. Ban Him
Option #2. Reduce his Hdollars to between $1,000 and $25,000
Option #3. Penalize him in some other way.
Option #3. Do nothing more than what they've already done?
With the percentages being, oh I don't know:
#1. 35%
#2. 35%
#3. 20%
#4. 10%
I am a striker, but I can at least talk to those of you who are supporting our cause, but choose not to picket with us :-)
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
We are about to march on the HubDub HeadQuarters with a big banner all in red with big white letters reading: Long live the Kremlin, ummmm ooops, wrong march hehe, I meant,
Out With Satya!
Out With Satya!!
Out With Satya!!!
Aaaahhhhhhhhhh, throws a rock at a street lamp.
Hehehe, okay, so we aren't THOSE kind of protestors, we are peaceful, very angry but peaceful none the less.
Thank you everyone for putting in your comments an concerns ... We need resolution, We Need Satyaki Gone For Good!
No more Satygate, no more scandal!
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_hubdubs_user_base_convince_hubdub_to_give_User_Satyaki_the_boot_5392/view
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/How_many_Hubdub_protesters_will_be_arrested_by_the_Hubdub_Police_5393/view#newcomment
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/proposed_new_procedure_for_dealing_with_gaming?
Here is the LATEST proposal from hubdub admins that they desire our say on:
Admins want a 4 strikes and your out process:
Proposed new procedure for dealing with gaming
Hubdub Representative
To date we have dealt with gaming on a case by case basis. However it has become clear that we need to have a defined process for dealing with individuals that game. Therefore this is our proposed procedure:
1. First identified instance/set of instances: Email warning
2. Second identified instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined 50% of worth
3. Third instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined down to H$1,000
4. Any subsequent instance will result in their ability to create questions removed and potentially suspension of their account.
We propose to apply this procedure for all new instances of gaming however some users are on their first warning and one user is on their second warning.
HOWEVER, several of us users are calling for a MUCH stiffer penalty process and this is our overall latest proposal back to the admins:
We want a 3 strikes you're out process:
1. First identified instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks) and fined 50% of worth.
2. Second instance/set of instances: Email warning, user placed on public watch list (for 2 weeks to 30 days) and fined down to H$1,000. AND removal of the gamers' right to create question for a period of time.
3. Any subsequent instance will result in definite, permanent suspension of their account, their IP and all other accounts by the gamer.
Have your say and please add your input at the area the admins have set up for this purpose:
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/topics/proposed_new_procedure_for_dealing_with_gaming?
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_hubdubs_user_base_convince_hubdub_to_give_User_Satyaki_the_boot_5392/view
lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)
For example, if there was a 10 player golf tournament and Tiger Woods was one of them he MUST have a higher starting percentage. Otherwise (if they all started at 10%) the people who get the most money are not the ones who are the best "predictors of news" but "finders of bargains". That would mean that the people who get the most H$ are the ones who watch the "newest" questions all day long and buy the bargains. I log-on 2-3 times a day, and I buy and sell when I have time.
If odds are not worked into the initial pricing guys like me will no longer play because we'd never beat the folks who simply pound money into obviously incorrectly weighed questions.
If they don't change this - I won't play much longer.
I don't care what they do to this Satyaki guy - I do care how Hubdub handles sports questions in the future.
This is the key question for Hubdub admins - is this site for casual users (who get hurt with poorly weighted questions because of the bargain hunters) or is it for the people who sit on this website all day long. It can't be both.
HOWEVER, the REAL money is made by the keeners who never stay in until settlement. They bet on the ERROR on the initial odds-making not on their opinion/insight into the outcome.
My opinion remains the same - if all sporting events are set at 50/50 all someone has to do is apply the Vegas odds to each and every sports bet, and that person will make tons of money (because they are using someone else's - VEGAS - insight).
In my opinion, that ruins the site for those of us who play casually (I don't sit at my laptop 18 hours per day watching Hubdub, but some will, and they will win).
First off, it is not our fault if you play hubdub less then we do man. And have you ever met someone who logged on 18 hours a day? ...... Didn't think so, okay then, so now that we are thinking more rationally, let's look deeper at your pet peeve shall we?
1. This site is about predicting the outcome. So if you are right more often then not, you should do just fine, otherwise, blame the fact that you are no Seer, and stop blaming people who dedicate more time then you do to a game that is so incredibly fun and addicting.
2. Odds are made on a case by case basis, by the creator. So if you do not like the odds others are making, why don't you make your own questions and only bet on your own questions all day. No wait, that won't work, you might start gaming! Scratch that idea!
Questions and their respective starting odds are decided by the creator, thus this site relies upon the "honesty" of said creators (that is why cheaters should have this priviledge revoked), PLUS, the admins did a wonderful thing and started up a 12 hr span between the start of a question and when that questions' creator can start betting, therefore, so long as people are being honest (we can wish, hehe), all should be okay, and that brings me to what (theonecalledmichael) so wisely said, and that is, if you do not like the odds, FLAG IT, that is what that option is there for and believe me brother, I have witnessed hubdub halting dozens upon dozens of questions and canceling tons because "we the users" have noticed a discrepancy, also, you can "comment" and that is what that comment box is for also.
If people, and yes that includes you bcgeulph, would do their part and use all the tools available to them, then this thing generally runs quite smoothly and there is therefore no reason to threaten to quit just because someone other than yourself has some more free time to put into this game.
Besides, you said that you are a casual player, well then, why are you complaining about not doing as well as hard core players?
Life is not going to treat everyone completely fairly. And believe me, if you want to be a top rated player, then you will need to put more time in, no one is going to give you a top score, you must work for it. Sorry to have to tell you man, there is no free lunch.
I am ranked #236, so as you can see, I am not anywhere near the top, but I do not blame the one's who spend twice as much time on here as I do, for that. Would you blame your little sister for beating you at a board game because after all, you had to work today and she spent the day playing games? Come on dude, put in the time, otherwise, be happy with your "casual" ranking.
Final note. If you have this problem with sports, then tell us what you think about Hollywood Box Office returns questions, or how about the likelihood that 8 earthquakes over 5.0 will occur today, or whether Patrick Swayze will die in the next 2 weeks?
Well? Hey, I guess someone's gotta pick a starting point on those odds, after all, who knows who is right until the event either occurs or does not.
I do understand your frustration over 50/50 sports betting, but that is still debatable as on any given Sunday, any team can win.
Also, on Tiger Woods, allow me to explain something about odds to you if I may. Tiger has won what, 5, 7, 400 straight tournaments? Okay get this, if you think he deserves a higher odd of winning, then explain to me why the mathematical FACT is that as you win more, the likelihood of you winning again, actually diminishes? ... Simple statistics man. ... Let's take the Rockets' recent run on some 20 straight wins, by your estimation, that means that by game 20 they should have a nearly 100% chance of winning their next game, well, I hate to break the news to you, but that would be a very bad way to run your odds, in fact, the closer they got to 20, the poorer the odds get for each and every game thereafter.
So, there is no "magic formula" to fix this "problem" of which that is debatable as I see no problem with the way it currently is run here on hubdub as an overall. Just accept that the world is imperfect, that man is sinful, place your bets and hope you are right more often than not.
That is the best we can hope for anyway.
lucidstates
I mean, if that were a rule, then why even have "user created questions" in the first place?
That is the beauty of this concept that is hubdub, it is liquid, it is alive, it is user c