Will Major Media Claim Ice Free North Pole by End of Summer 2008?

Regrettfully I can imagine this happening.

Hallo intlibber - I can't tell if you're trying to be tongue in cheek or not. If
a news reporter is claiming to be reporting from the North Pole but isn't really, how
will we know? And is your question not a duplicate of http://www.hubdub.com/m10139/Will_the_North_Pole_be_ice_free_at_any_point_in_2008

No its not a duplicate. This is not about any environmental event, this is a question asking whether the media will commit journalistic fraud, alleging an event which has not in fact occured, by broadcasting from one location but claiming to be in another.

Firstly, we need to see the media make such a report, then it can be investigated where they actually were when they made the report. For instance, I fully expect someone in the major medial to make such a report, but to do so from either the North Magnetic Pole or the North Geomagnetic Pole and claiming to be "at the north pole", when the true north pole is the Geographical North Pole at 90 degrees latitute (as I specify in the question). The magnetic pole locations are over 1000 miles from the geographical north pole.

I was VERY clear in my question and do not understand why you feel you need further clarification.

What do I need to do to get this suspension released? It seems to me to be suppression of criticism of media manipulation to keep this under suspension.

@intlibber - you need to "flag for review" markets you want to bring to the attention category editors.

@intlibber - market has now been unsuspended, wasn't trying to suppress criticism of media manipulation, just been offline this weekend.

I would still like to know how we will know whether this has been fraud or not - how will we settle the question?

@ tisha -- to my read, "fraud" is not part of the question.

Is there any hubdub rule against investigating things? For instance, if they are reporting from a ship, contacting the ship owners to find out where the ship was that day?

I think this will be a simple case of intentional misrepresentation, of the reporters calling the magnetic or geomagnetic north pole the "North Pole", when as far as climate is concerned, the true geographic north pole at 90 deg N latitude is what most people and climatologists consider the true north pole. Having a magnetic pole by greenland ice free is one thing, but the geographic north pole being ice free is an entirely different can of worms.

This is why I was so clear in the question about what is and is not the "North Pole" wrt this question.

Anyways, verification of fraud can easily be determined: get a satellite image of the geographic north pole from the date the news media claims to be broadcasting from open seas there.

From one of the links in the "Related News" side bar:

While the mass media, Al Gore and politicized bodies like the IPCC scaremonger about the perils of global warming and demand the poor and middle class pay CO2 taxes, both hard scientific data and circumstantial evidence points to a clear cooling trend.

How man-made global warming advocates will spin this one remains to be seen - maybe they will just continue to adopt their current tactic by claiming that any geological or weather event whatsoever, be it hurricanes, earthquakes, droughts or floods, temperature increase or decrease, and even a 30 per cent growth of the polar ice cap - is a result of that evil life-giving gas that we exhale - CO2.

hmm - this question looks more like polemic than prediction.

I'm still struggling with this one:

The presumption is that the Media WILL make a "technical" lie of convenience, since there are three different north poles to choose from. The presumption further is that the Media will NOT specify which of the three north poles they are referring to. So the public could be duped by a technicality, "but will not be within 1,000 miles of the north pole"...OK...

So, if Major Media Claim Ice Free North Pole by End of Summer 2008 -- whether right or wrong -- the question settles as YES. If Major Media Does NOT Claim Ice Free North Pole by End of Summer 2008 -- whether right or wrong -- the question settles as NO. And all of this is REGARDLESS of which north pole they are referring to, and REGARDLESS of whether their claim is fraudulent or not.

But wait a minute! intlibber is insistent: "Is there any hubdub rule against investigating things?" Why would we want to investigate anything, if it makes no difference anyway?

I think the problem is: a word is missing from the question. Should it perhaps be:

"Will Major Media FALSELY Claim Ice Free North Pole by End of Summer 2008 (specified as the Geographical Northpole)?"

Hmmmm.....Summer is over in less than an hour/