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Will hurricane Ike threaten New Orleans?

Settled as ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO

Ike enters the Gulf of Mexico and makes landfall at Galveston, which is a touch over 200m from New Orleans
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080911/ts_nm/storm_ike_dc

Background:

Ike looks like it might pass through the gap between Florida and Cuba. If this is so, it could strengthen and turn northward towards New Orleans. From the direction it would be coming from, it could also be heading in a potentially worse direction than gustav did.

This question asks to what extent this is likely. I have placed a few different broad responses that I hope are complete, and will identify various outcomes that I hope fully cover what Ike may do, with landfall being the simplest word to describe how a storm approaches land.

URRICANE IKE DISCUSSION NUMBER 28
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092008
1100 PM EDT SUN SEP 07 2008

SATELLITE AND CUBAN RADAR OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT IKE MADE
LANDFALL AROUND 0145 UTC NEAR CABO LUCRECIA. SATELLITE MICROWAVE
DATA SUGGESTED THAT AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT OCCURRED SHORTLY BEFORE
LANDFALL BUT IMAGES FROM THE GRAN PIEDRA RADAR IN CUBA SUGGESTED
THAT THE INNER EYEWALL WITH A DIAMETER OF ABOUT 20 N MI WAS STILL
INTACT AS THE CENTER CROSSED THE COAST. SFMR AND DROPSONDE
OBSERVATIONS FROM A NOAA RESEARCH AIRCRAFT MISSION INDICATE THAT
IKE PROBABLY RE-STRENGTHENED TO 110-115 KT BEFORE LANDFALL IN
EASTERN CUBA. REGARDLESS...WEAKENING IS NOW EXPECTED AS THE CENTER
MOVES OVER THE LANDMASS OF CUBA. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST
SHOWS LESS WEAKENING THAN INDICATED BY THE DECAY SHIPS MODEL...TO
ALLOW FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CENTER EMERGING OVER WATER SOONER
THAN EXPECTED. ONCE IKE MOVES INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE
COMBINATION OF WARM WATERS AND FAIRLY WEAK VERTICAL SHEAR SHOULD
RESULT IN STRENGTHENING....HOWEVER THERE IS GREAT UNCERTAINTY AS TO
HOW MUCH THE HURRICANE WILL INTENSIFY IN 3 TO 5 DAYS.

INITIAL MOTION IS WESTWARD OR 270/11. NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HAVE
BEEN MADE TO THE TRACK FORECAST OR TO THE FORECAST REASONING. THE
STEERING CURRENT ASSOCIATED WITH A DEEP-LAYER RIDGE TO THE NORTH
AND NORTHEAST OF IKE IS EXPECTED TO CAUSE THE TRACK TO GRADUALLY
BEND TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST OVER THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...AND THE
TRACK MODELS ARE FAIRLY WELL CLUSTERED ON A TRACK ALONG MUCH OF
CUBA. LATER IN THE FORECAST PERIOD...AFTER IKE IS PREDICTED TO
MOVE INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO...SOME OF THE DYNAMICAL MODELS SHOW A
WEAKNESS IN THE RIDGE THAT COULD TURN THE HURRICANE MORE NORTHWARD.
HOWEVER A NUMBER OF MODELS DO NOT SHOW MUCH OF A WEAKNESS OR A
TURN. SUFFICE TO SAY THAT IT IS SIMPLY TOO EARLY TO SAY WHAT
PORTION OF THE GULF COAST WILL ULTIMATELY BE AFFECTED BY IKE.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 08/0300Z 21.1N 75.8W 105 KT
12HR VT 08/1200Z 21.4N 77.6W 90 KT...INLAND
24HR VT 09/0000Z 22.1N 79.9W 80 KT...INLAND
36HR VT 09/1200Z 22.8N 81.7W 70 KT...INLAND
48HR VT 10/0000Z 23.6N 83.5W 80 KT...OVER WATER
72HR VT 11/0000Z 25.0N 86.4W 90 KT
96HR VT 12/0000Z 26.5N 89.0W 100 KT
120HR VT 13/0000Z 28.0N 92.0W 100 KT


Settlement details: in question outcomes, NO stands for new orleans. m for miles. As reported by a major mainstream news source.

 
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Settled

Ike does not enter gulf of mexico
0%
ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO
99%
ike enters gulf; landfall<=200 m from NO
1%
Activity: H$68,673
Settled as ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO on Sat 13th Sep 5:49am PDT

Suspend date: Fri 12th Sep 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Sat 13th Sep 5:49am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Fri 12th Sep 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled

Initial likelihoods: Ike does not enter gulf of mexico: 40%, ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO : 40%, ike enters gulf; landfall<=200 m from NO: 20%

Action history:

Created Fri 5th Sep 9:15am PDT by bigken1
Suspended Fri 12th Sep 12:59am PDT : Suspend date reached
Settled as 'ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO ' Sat 13th Sep 5:49am PDT by tisha[Admin]: Ike enters the Gulf of Mexico and makes landfall at Galveston, which is a touch over 200m from New Orleans
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080911/ts_nm/storm_ike_dc

Suspend date: Fri 12th Sep 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Sat 13th Sep 5:49am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Fri 12th Sep 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
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Predictions (105)

105 predictions

11 weeks ago
fourgrays predicted ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO (H$10 at 98%)
11 weeks ago
bency predicted ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO (H$400 at 97%)
11 weeks ago
cognos[Power User] predicted ike enters gulf; landfall<=200 m from NO (H$100 at 1%)
11 weeks ago
piterwilson predicted ike enters gulf ; landfall >200 m from NO (H$10,000 at 98%)
11 weeks ago
kcwildguy predicted ike enters gulf; landfall<=200 m from NO (H$20 at 4%)
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Comments (6)

  1 bayoubear[Admin]
Excellent question....well developed. Just hope it gets no where near me this time...Gustav was bad enough last week........
posted 12 weeks ago
  2 bigken1
Sorry for your trouble bayoubear. Thanks for your comment. When I saw Ike going towards the Florida straits, I thought that there was a possibility it could aim towards New Orleans. I thought I should give it a wide margin, as the earlier question of 50 miles was voided by the difficulty of defining the answer, within such a close margin. Now I see that it might very well make a close encounter (by the guesses now moving towards the <= 200 m). I think there is a large room for uncertainty though. I dont have any H$ of my own on this....

I hope for the people of NO that they do not get much of a hit, and also do not have to evacuate again.. Even that would be terrible, and they likely would not be so willing to do so..
posted 12 weeks ago
  3 bigken1
I thought some of this was cute ---- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GUeV358pDc

not that I agree with the prediction.. Those interested in this question might like a few minutes (not the whole thing)..
posted 12 weeks ago
  4 bayoubear[Admin]
200 miles should put it just a few miles this side of the
Texas/Louisiana border...so if it DOES make landfall in
Texas, then it will settle as the >200 mile option...sorry
for our Texas friends...
posted 12 weeks ago
  5 bigken1
Yes bayoubear,

I thought the 50 mile question which was earlier introduced when gustav was aimed at NO was very narrow. I was hoping to at least have a 50-50 chance (if it entered gulf), so there would be some guessing going on.. It looked close for awhile!!!! So 200 miles was good. I didnt choose it because of its closeness to texas. It just worked out that way. I never lived there, so I don't even know the distances that well...
posted 12 weeks ago
  6 bayoubear[Admin]
And actually the 200 mile zone from New Oleans does a pretty
good job of dividing the Gulf COast into three zones.

A future hurricane question could divide the Gulf Coast into
three zones, one for those areas 201 mile or most to the east
the other 20001 miles or more to the west, and then one 200
miles either side of Nawlins...
posted 12 weeks ago

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