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Will the attorney general indict Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert?

Settled as No

Netanyahu has been officially sworn in, and Olmert has not yet been indicted.

Background:

Background: Israel's police recommended Sunday that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert should be indicted in a string of corruption cases, according to an official document.

The decision about whether to indict Olmert rests with the attorney general, Meni Mazuz. In the past, Mazuz and his predecessors have turned down police recommendations to indict Israeli leaders several times.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHxO0KmvqjmyFN039njXdLAIrXUAD93215CO1

Category Editor Clarification: I'm extending the suspend date on this question from Oct 31/08 to early in 2009, based on the unexpected (at the time the question was created) fact that Olmert will stay on as PM until the snap election. In other words, I'm interpreting this question as asking whether Olmert will be charged while still Prime Minister. It will settle as No if he remains un-indicted at the time he steps down as PM. (See comment #3 for further details.)

IMPORTANT: Question re-opened. Events in late November have raised the likelihood of an indictment in the near future. But for this question, it only settles as Yes if he is indicted while still Prime Minister. If he steps down without (yet) being indicted, it settles as No.

Settlement details:As reported by a major mainstream news source.

 
Forecast history %
Yes
10%
No
90%
Settled as No on Wed 1st Apr 3:33am PST

Suspend date: Thu 23rd Apr 12:59pm PST
Settlement date: Wed 1st Apr 3:33am PST
Prediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Wed 1st Apr 2:35am PST have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled

Initial likelihoods: Yes: 60%

Action history:

Created Sun 7th Sep 2008 12:21pm PST by kruijs[Power User]
Changed Suspend date Thu 30th Oct 2008 5:42am PST by infernalmachine[Power User]: was: "2008-10-31 23:59:00"
Suspended Wed 26th Nov 2008 7:07pm PST by infernalmachine[Power User]: suspended for possible settlement
Unsuspended Sat 29th Nov 2008 3:21am PST by infernalmachine[Power User]: Not known yet. Please read the new clarification that starts at IMPORTANT: (in bold-type) in the background text.
Suspended Thu 5th Feb 12:59pm PST : Suspend date reached
Settlement requested Sun 15th Feb 1:55pm PST by kruijs[Power User]: I think its safe to settle "no" on this one.
Changed Suspend date Mon 16th Feb 1:14pm PST by sqlman[Admin]: was: "2009-02-05 12:59:00"
Unsuspended Mon 16th Feb 1:14pm PST by sqlman[Admin]: Inadvertently neglected to unsuspend concurrent with my earlier comment...
Suspended Mon 23rd Feb 12:59pm PST : Suspend date reached
Changed Suspend date Wed 18th Mar 1:16pm PST by sqlman[Admin]: was: "2009-02-23 12:59:00"
Unsuspended Wed 18th Mar 1:16pm PST by sqlman[Admin]: By request, we'll unsuspend this until Olmert officially leaves office
Settlement requested Tue 31st Mar 11:01pm PST by nyharel: The new Israeli government (headed by Netenyahoo) has just been sworn in, and Olmert is no longer the prime minister. He has not been indicted yet,
Settled as 'No' Wed 1st Apr 3:33am PST by sqlman[Admin]: Netanyahu has been officially sworn in, and Olmert has not yet been indicted.

Suspend date: Thu 23rd Apr 12:59pm PST
Settlement date: Wed 1st Apr 3:33am PST
Prediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Wed 1st Apr 2:35am PST have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled details

 

Predictions (207)

31 weeks ago
nyharel predicted No (H$89 at 84%)
32 weeks ago
kennyk predicted No (H$600 at 84%)
32 weeks ago
nyharel predicted No (H$40 at 84%)
32 weeks ago
nyharel predicted No (H$641 at 84%)
32 weeks ago
nyharel predicted No (H$10,000 at 78%)

Comments (20)

  1 randburg
Thank you kruijs! I thought we would see a question on this subject today...
posted 1 year ago
  2 dieseldog
is suspend date also the settlement date?
posted 1 year ago
No. (Good question though.) I'm going to change the suspend date to into early 2009. Question will settle based on whether he is indicted while still PM. The question was asked when it seemed most likely that his unknown (at the time) successor would form a coalition government and he would step down at that time. But with Livni's failure to accomplish that and the snap election, he is staying on until the election.

Because this may not have been what you expected, predictors can send me a flag if they want to cancel a previous wager.
posted 1 year ago
The election is Feb 10, it has just been announced. http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-bc-ml--israel-politics,0,6311483.story

The suspend date will be Feb 5th, to add a little risk to the late-predicting.
posted 1 year ago
Comment 4 is subject to change if he steps down earlier, etc.
posted 1 year ago
  6 dieseldog
infernalmachine - thanks for the clarification.
posted 1 year ago
  8 pldk777
Didn't he just resign?
posted 39 weeks ago
  9 nyharel
This question is set to suspend tonight, but according to the question's wording (requiring Olmert to "step down" as prime minister) the results will not be known for a few more weeks - almost a week until the elections, and then a week or two for all the deliberations that take place to choose a new prime-minister (in Israel, the prime-minister is NOT automatically the head of the party with the most votes, although this usually ends up being true).
Perhaps the question needs to be rephrased, to check the situation on suspend date, rather than waiting for the PM to actually end his PMship?
posted 39 weeks ago
  10 pldk777
Can we settle this yet or whats going on?
posted 37 weeks ago
  11 sqlman[Admin]
For those of you wondering why this hasn't been settled yet: as the separate clarifications at the bottom of the details section indicate, this market will only settle as 'Yes' so long as there's an indictment while Olmert is still the PM. Now, under Israeli law, Olmert will continue to be PM until a new PM is sworn in (either Livni or Netanyahu) so it wouldn't be quite fair to settle this just yet, as there's the possibility that he could be indicted before leaving office.
posted 37 weeks ago
  12 nyharel
Boy am I glad I cashed in on this question before the suspend date... In some questions, there's a big delay - possibly even weeks - between the suspend date and the settlement date. I think this is a very bad thing, and almost unwarrented. Usually, the market could have stayed open until the settlement date rather than artificially being suspended early, or alternatively the market could be settled on the suspend date, checking the question on the suspend date. In this case, both solutions would have worked. I hope that Hubdub will someday forbid question with this problem (big delay between the formal suspend date and the actual settlement date).

When I see a question with a big difference between suspend and settlement dates, currently I treat it in one of two ways: either avoid it completely, or cash in early.
posted 37 weeks ago
  13 kruijs[Power User]
nyharel,
I agree with you. often, though, it is not easy to see what is going to happen, or on occasion the suspension and settlement should take place in advance.
This question is a disaster, in this way. I'll flag the question to ask the cat-ed to un-suspend it until settlement will be possible.
posted 37 weeks ago
  14 sqlman[Admin]
@nyharel: while there may seem to be no call for it, we'll suspend early for many different reasons. For instance, suppose a market asks whether a certain person will win an election. Now, simple logic dictates that the market closes when the polls do; otherwise, folks would be placing wagers after an outcome was already conjectured, which is--at its very root--unfair. But say the race is too close to call, and the contestants go back and forth for days, weeks, or even months after the election before a clear winner is finally called. While that might seem like us 'artificially suspending a question early', it's really the only fair way it can be done. yes, we could simply settle the market based on exit polls, no matter how close the race, and we'd probably be safe. But we wouldn't *necessarily* be; projections are notoriously fallible. So, while we make every effort to settle accurately and quickly, the former will trump the latter every time.
posted 37 weeks ago
  15 randburg
I think the translation of that last comment is: TIME TO BALE OUT! And that's what I am doing...
posted 37 weeks ago
  16 pldk777
ahhh I lost 4k as soon as you bailed
lol sucks
posted 37 weeks ago
  17 nyharel
pidk777, no he just created more opportunity for the rest us to invest :-)
posted 37 weeks ago
any day now....
posted 34 weeks ago
Yea, any day now. I've got H$1,600 tied up in this one.
posted 34 weeks ago
  20 kruijs[Power User]
Former Israeli prime minister Olmert indicted

Israeli legal authorities have indicted former Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert on corruption charges.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ic6RWeorIMHJ_dmXOp7pIN3VWKiwD9AD87R00

Please see:
http://www.hubdub.com/m51959/Will_Ehud_Olmert_be_found_guilty
posted 9 weeks ago

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