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Will there be another offer on the table for HBOS by October 31, 2008?

Settled as No

There has not been another offer 'on the table' by 10/31, although there may have been discussions prior to this date, no offers were made.

Background:

After shares in HBOS (Halifax Bank Of Scotland) plummeted last week, Lloyds TSB announced a takeover deal of £12.5bn, creating the UK's first "super bank". The new bank would have over 30% share of the UK's mortgage market.

However, with around 17,000 people working for HBOS in Scotland, Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister has been holding crisis talks in Edinburgh to try to salvage as many jobs as possible north of the border.

HBOS was formed in 2001 after a merger between the Bank of Scotland and the Halifax Building Society. The Bank of Scotland is the UK's oldest commercial bank, founded in 1665, and even prints its own version of pounds sterling. So it's no surprise Scotland isn't giving in without a fight.

It has in fact been rumoured that an elite group of Scottish bankers has been asked to make a £6bn offer to save the bank.

The Scots are notoriously proud of their banking institutions. And Alex Salmond is certainly a force to be reckoned with. But currently, it is only rumours.

Will this "elite group", or someone else, come forward and put up an offer to bail out the bank by the end of October 2008?

Question will settle on November 1, 2008.

Read more details about the dealings here:
BBC Coverage

The Telegraph Coverage


Settlement details: As reported by a major mainstream news source. It only has to be announced in the media, not accepted. This question will settle after the end of October, but is suspended 1 week beforehand. It doesn't have to be the "elite group of bankers" mentioned in the background, simply an alternative offer. And it doesn't have to be for the whole bank, it could just be part of it.

 
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Settled

Yes
8%
No
92%
Activity: H$16,833
Settled as No on Sat 1st Nov 6:44am PDT

Suspend date: Sun 26th Oct 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Sat 1st Nov 6:44am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Sun 26th Oct 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled

Initial likelihoods: Yes: 15%

Action history:

Created Mon 22nd Sep 2:35pm PDT by lesley[Admin]
Suspended Mon 13th Oct 9:08pm PDT by tisha[Admin]: Flagged by admin: UK goverment is putting £37 billion into 3 british banks, including HBOS. I think this satisfies the requirements of teh question?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/13/marketturmoil-creditcrunch
This same weekend of negotiations has led to a change of offer from Lloyds taking over HBOS, but I think the bank acquiring stakes in the banks still satisfies a 'yes' settlement?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/12/hbos-lloydstsbgroup
Unsuspended Wed 15th Oct 4:20am PDT by lesley[Admin]: The Government bailout is not "an offer", it's a cash injection.
Suspended Sun 26th Oct 12:59am PDT : Suspend date reached
Settlement requested Sun 26th Oct 4:11am PDT by curios: please settle as yes offer on the table
http://business.watoday.com.au/business/bankwest-parent-hbos-sold-in-639b-deal-20080918-4iu2.html
Settlement requested Fri 31st Oct 10:04am PDT by keyeshoveden: It's gone to LLoyds TSB and I haven't seen any counter offers. But it's hard to prove a negative.
Changed Description Fri 31st Oct 10:09am PDT by chris[Admin]: ... been asked to make a £Â£6bn offer to save the
Settlement requested Sat 1st Nov 3:43am PDT by curios: please settle you certainly have enough
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Overseas-bank-lines-up-to.4651216.jp
please read the article
Settled as 'No' Sat 1st Nov 6:44am PDT by bayoubear[Admin]: There has not been another offer 'on the table' by 10/31, although there may have been discussions prior to this date, no offers were made.

Suspend date: Sun 26th Oct 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Sat 1st Nov 6:44am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Sun 26th Oct 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
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Predictions (22)

22 predictions

4 weeks ago
keyeshoveden predicted No (H$1,000 at 92%)
4 weeks ago
curios predicted Yes (H$50 at 9%)
4 weeks ago
keyeshoveden predicted No (H$1,000 at 91%)
4 weeks ago
keyeshoveden predicted No (H$6,000 at 90%)
5 weeks ago
keyeshoveden predicted No (H$6,000 at 86%)
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Comments (6)

  1 dieseldog
looks like the USA ain't the only one with banking problems.
posted 8 weeks ago
An offer could very well be made, but will never be accepted. Elite scottish bankers are small beer.
posted 8 weeks ago
If only democracy prevailed in the United Kingdom, in 1979 52% of Scottish Voters said YES to a devolved Scottish Government, the Labour Westminster Government who orgainsed the referendum, said No even although 43 out 19 Scottish MP voted against there NO decision.

The Bank of Scotland "the one that funded the jacobite rebellion" could have been a step closer to banking the Scottish Pound that would have been worth £1.20 compared to the Bank of England's £1.00. It could have enjoyed for the same foreign funds that the Swiss franc attracts. ALL OF THESE FACTS ON THE TOP SECRET MCCRONE REPORT INTO SCOTLAND'S ECONOMY http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf
posted 8 weeks ago
  4 chris[Admin]
43 out of 19 MPs voted??? That's quite epic corruption all on its own :-P

I'm down enough real money on bloody HBOS shares, so I'm not risking Hubdub dollars on this as well
posted 8 weeks ago
Most English people would gladly see Scotland become independent so long as they stopped going on so much.
posted 3 weeks ago
  6 bayoubear[Admin]
Although there are reports of a discussion regarding an unnamed foreign bank interested in HBOS, there doesn't seem to be any reports of an offer being 'on the table' as of the ending date, 10/31/08. This question should be settled this weekend following a bit more research on the situation regarding most recent developments.
posted 2 weeks ago

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