Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Election?

Halloween mask sales - Obama vs. McCain
http://www.amazon.com/Put-Your-Party-on-Your-Face/meters/A2JPIXA6Y3NESG/

The old man and barbie don't belong in offce.

How can you tell?

Is this election a nightmare or what?

Wasnt there already a question with this title?

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_win_the_US_Presidential_Election_in_2008_747
Clearly a duplicate

destry wagered...why wasn't it cought?

Wow! Why bet on this question when i can get republican at the other one for a steal!

Enough yapping. I've got $4,000 on Obama. Any of you McCain bootlickers have the spine to put that much on Mr. Straight Talk?

wow, jsevigny, impressive... I have $3000 on John 'Lettuce' & Walnuts McCain... I'm risking H$3k for the chance to win H$16k... You're risking H$4k to get what... 5k? 6k or 7k? Haa haa!

Jk about the 'haa haa' :-)

@s99j - Biden isn't that old... and Obama's good looking enough... but Barbie?!?! I don't think Obama compares to Barbie... but then, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

No kidding! Although Barbie has about the same amount of experience as Obama so maybe thats what he was reffering to.

Right FF. The difference is you're going to lose $3,000. :)

so we have a race between a black man and a woman for the white house, and they both have an old, inoffensive white guy in tow to make them look more experienced

You people are jack ass idiots if u vote for asso obama

Well cloud thats a little harsh. I agree with Obama on a few points..... ok no i dont but im sure if i search hard enough id find one. :) Still people have a freedom of expression and speech and we shouldnt condem then in any way for excercising that.

right, so say it loud cloud!

jk, but suriuslee

Why so serious? Its ok hes a new member. Who made one comment..... and his account was made today... Gadget did you make him just to prove your point?

you can get better odds currently on the similar/ same/? question that erik points out,

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_win_the_US_Presidential_Election_in_2008_747

Depends how you look at it. For McCain you get better odds but Obama gets worse odds!

hey dragon
A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election.
Bill Vaughan
this cant be true surley? steady only a stir.

This is hilarious.
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE49F4TZ20081016
Erin go bragh!

A thought occured to me why McCain is losing the election. People who fight in wars are generally people who love and want to defend this country. I just described a Conservative. People who stay here who qualify are generally the kind of people who like there country either lukewarmly or not at all. I just described a democrat. So everyone who died in the iraq war was one less vote for McCain. PULL THEM BACK OBAMA! PULL THEM BACK!

Are these comments moderated at all? These Republican Trolls are nipping my head.....

successful trolling takes 2

just let it slide, most comments are made with only a grain of seriousness.

dragon, when are you enlisting?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-14-military-donations_N.htm
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080814/military_donations.html

dragon will be in charge of propaganda

@curious You betcha! Im thinking of 20 foot by 10 foot pictures of McCain and Palin! Whos in!
@deelilley thats amazing! However i guess that they start to go a little bit crazy after they enlist. War can do that to you! I already did my time of the US. Although my experience was fairly boring because when i signed on there was no war. I kept waiting and waiting. I even sent a threating letter to the leader of Iran signed Obama however he just kept laughing and laughing! Probably picturing Obama trying to lead the armed forces.

How are we determining a winner to this question? The popular vote, or the electoral vote?

Wooow, there're more than a quaerter of a million H$ bet on this question.

@ somemanonline there's about 2.5 million on this question:
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Who_will_be_the_next_President_of_the_US_2047

@ dragon, Not to worry. If, by some weird chance, McBush is elected...you'll be drafted.

Im afraid im to old to serve. They keep raising it up, and missing me by a year or two. I would love to sign on again but i have a lot that im responsible for here.

when he enlists his job will be to clean the ablutions? i wonder if we will here after the election? never mind dragon winners in this case will be blue and grinner's!!!!!!!!

......????? You want to try explaining that again in english?

gee dragon i forgot you had trouble with english,,,,,,,,,,,??????????????? y

"Who will win the 2008 US Presidential Election?
Current forecast: Barack Obama (90% chance 27% down)"


so presumably yesterday he had already won the election with a chance of 117% ? :)

Sen. Barack Obama will make an amazing President,
and I predicted this on www.judyhevenly.com
February 9, 2008. I am a South African by birth, and
as a child, living in Africa we were segregated one race
from another, so this will be a historical day,
for not only for South Africans, but globally.

Interesting, judy... see you on the leaderboards.

Joe Biden faces the music;
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html

great video, mork...thanks! It shows Joe Biden standing up to ridiculous questions from someone who appears to be reading them off a teleprompter.

I like how he points out its about time to stop spreading the wealth to the top.
I am astonished how so many people think getting the money back is so called 'socialism'. Can't we realize we've been robbed by the corporate bigwigs, lobbyists and politicians!
Whose income has grown 10 fold the last 8 years?... Sure wasn't mine!...As if they needed it.

Yes, mork, interesting how people keep voting against their own self-interests.

@dragon...we will all chip in and take care of your responsibilities in here. I am sure McCain would love you to serve....the question is what and where.

robbed? seriously?

They get taxed to the point that they pay for the majority of taxes in our country and you say they robbed us? The better they do, the better we all do. When they can make things cheaper, we can buy them cheaper. When they sell stuff, our economy booms. Think about the big picture at least a little bit.

The "I want it now!" mentality needs to be rethought.

You've been fooled Rob. The lobbyists have ensured enough tax loopholes for the rich that they have many avenues to avoid paying tax and the resources to find, know and utilize them. Finding corporate greed as a source for our current financial crisis is a non-partisan conclusion made by McCain and Obama. McCain says he is going to fix it and then accuses someone else of being a socialist when they say they want to fix it. It is just political B.S. and amazing to watch. Are you not disgusted by the salaries, severance packages, and bonuses the executives of failing companies have been getting?

Aside from which, people who earn the most and live the best -- under ethical guidelines set forth by Jesus Christ, Allah, Mother Teresa and Gandhi -- have a responsibility to help those with the least. This should not be seen as a form of "punishment" for being successful, but rather, as a blessing. If you have enough money to pay for 12 houses and a bunch of cars for yourself, hell yes you should pay more taxes and you should be happy to do so. I like paying taxes. It's my contribution to the society in which I live. This is not socialism. It's social responsibility.

As for "the more they make, the more we make," even George Bush I called that voodoo economics. It doesn't work that way. When a millionaire makes and extra million, he sticks it in a bank. Huge corporations do not up payroll for the guy who cleans the toilets when profits go up. Never in my life have I heard a boss say, "you know Joe, business is pretty good this year. I'm going to give you a raise."

@mork
The top 1% pays 32% of the taxes.
The top 5% pays 51.4%.
The top 10% of high income earners, pay 63.5%.
The top 20% of income earners pays 78% of all federal income taxes.

I think you should be happy being part of the 80% that pays only 20% of their dues here. I know I am outraged that I'm part of that 80%.

@jsevigny

You underline a very important concept jsevigny. "This is not socialism. It's social responsibility." Do you realize how important that statement is? Socialism requires ridding the world of social responsibility and placing it all on some unreal entity known as the government. The further we take responsibility away from the citizens of a society, the more they lose the concept that it is actually their responsibility to do so. Socialism is failing everywhere and America is proof that free markets and capitalism are the most efficient tools of progress.

When a successful firm makes an extra million, they do not put it in the bank (and even if they do that million served us all, and I'll let you know why). The firm uses the resources to invest in capital so that it can make 2 million next year. This allows that firm to push their product at a cheaper price. I don't need to give an example here, it is the story of every successful company and one of the first things you learn in economics.

Even if that company saves that money for a little while, that million dollars will contribute the GDP in time. The services and goods that were given for the million dollars becomes part of the GDP. When the million dollars is spent, it becomes part of the chain of free markets.

Wages DO increase as companies do better, but more importantly the relative price level goes down as companies continue to succeed. When Walmart offers you a product for much cheaper than the next company, your wage rate becomes more valuable. You don't even have to make more and yet your can buy more. This is a key point to explaining why success of firms are vital to the success of households.
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plus my room mate says ur rong

that's a joke guys. just trying to keep our conversation friendly :)

friendly shmiendly..... McCain is an idiot!

Well Rob I'm not sure how you have come to conclude what tax bracket I fall under. It would be nice if you could show where you get those other numbers from as well.

@mork:

Here is one article about amounts of taxes that each income level pays
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

@jsevigny :

There is a huge difference between having the privilege to help someone who needs it, and being told by the government how much money to hand over to them or face consequences! That one of the fastest ways to lose our liberties - no two ways about it.

DITTO NOTABLENOTICES. why do rich people (or anybody) need the govt to take their money to pass it around? does anybody think the govt gives that money directly to the homeless?

In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=who+pays+the+most+taxes&fr=ush1-mail&u=www.treas.gov/press/releases/reports/factsheetwhopaysmostindividualincometaxes.update.pdf&w=pays+pay+most+taxes+tax+taxed&d=XpT4OULURsBt&icp=1&.intl=us

scap the tax code and the IRS. replace it with a comsumption tax. the rich comsume far more than the poor. you also get more income by eliminating those people who work off the books..hookers, drug dealers, illegal immigrants, etc

Joe the ant was working hard. Hard at work plumbing the depths of the ant community. One day while on a break Joe noticed a very striking grasshopper preening himself nearby. “Barry, I recognize you from the sound of your song, I’ve heard the song before, do you really intend to redistribute my stored winter food?”

“Heavens no, Joe!”, Barry assured him, continuing, “It is merely prudent that your pile of food, which is much larger than you need, trust me on this, is flattened out and spread around, what about the the pill bugs and the aphids who don’t have the luxury of your good fortune? Your food pile is simply to steep and too highly piled, a bug could easily be injured if there was a fall, your pile needs to be flattened out, for the good of everyone.”

Joe returned to his digs and some fellow ants inquired of him, “Joe, we heard the lyrical sound of the grasshopper outside, what news does he bring?”

Joe, a common ant with common ways returned to the surface with his fellow ants to get a clarification on the mysterious plans of the grasshopper but was met instead by a battalion of crickets and a cartel of chameleons. Immediately a cacophony of voices rang out. Barry motioned for silence and a hush fell over the assembled pests.

Shimmering in a plumage of constantly changing colors a large chameleon climbed upon a pile of acorn husks and with eyes independently swiveling addressed the masses. “Welcome fellow ants! What a glorious day this is! For this Fall we select our Alpha insect and what could be more obvious? ... the charming dapperness of Barry the Grasshopper or that silly old, boring, stale has-been rhinoceros beetle, John McGrain? Sure, we know that he was held in a gourd by the Asian fruit flies for years while defending us, but that was a LONG time ago, now is the time for Change! Pick Barry to lead us!”

One small ant waived his antenna hoping to catch one of the eyes of the chameleon with a question but his query was drowned out by the mesmerizing hum of the crickets cooing, Barry Chang-Chang, Very Chang-Chang, Barry Chang-Chang.

The crickets took a break and Barry continued, “Little ants, you need to trust me, we know better than you, we grasshoppers fly high, we see the entire panorama of the meadow, we see things you ants don’t see here on the ground, do not let yourselves be troubled worrying about your stores, we will attend to them for you, all you need to know is that your pile of food will be just as high as ever, in fact higher and that it will be spread around for the good of the entire community, you merely need to stop piling your food by the poppies and instead turn left towards the bluebonnets and place your food at our feet, we’ll make sure that you remain warm and happy.

To be continued....

@valornhonor:

That reminds me of something going on in U.S. politics right now! :-)

Here is what I had in mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Notice what he says about redistribution and "the court wasn't radical enough"!

This is ridiculous, my 1000 points changed the Odds from 9% to 26% for McCain.

If only it were that easy!

It´s interesting how many of you are interested in the liberties of the very rich. We have no decent public health care system in the States, a crummy public education system, and very little in the way of public transportation. Why? Because we don't like paying taxes.

@ jsevigny

such fascinating perspectives that you offer! Pray tell us, why do so many well to do sick folks come to the world class medical facilities in Houston, or the Mayo Clinic or any of a number of other world class medical facilities in this country, from other countries for treatment? Better, which would be the country that you would showcase as having a superior medical arrangement, I'm sure you can name several, I'm interested in the one that you admire most. I will not argue you on the education assessment, I agree that it is dire, what I can't agree to though is that an increase in taxes/bonds/etc. *automatically* and irrefutably will be the cure and I'm assuming that you are making a comparison between the United States and perhaps Europe with regard to public transportation, could it be that the distances between major cities are not conducive to train service? Perhaps a massive land grab, public domain style will be in order to commit billions to new rail lines? Do we not have a plethora of low fare air carriers that allow frequent trips between business centers that are equivalent distances as between entire countries in Europe? Please showcase for us an example of a society that vastly improved their quality of life with an obvious linkage to a spike in taxes. I look forward to your comments and thank you for your frequent participation on this site.

Seriously!

@ jsevigny part 2....

btw... lest you think that I'm unread and hard headed, I DO think that other countries are making significant advancements in the field of health care, an excellent example is innovative system that Ruben Torel has launched in Bangkok....

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/125/medical-leave.html

@ jsevigny..as i have said before (your boy dragon said i stold it from somebody else's speech..which i didn't) money for education K-12 hasn't been cut on the federal level for at least 16 years. is the system getting better? why keep throwing money at the problem?

Dieseldog, I knew I liked you from the "Joe The Plumber" board, but after reading 55 and learning you are a secure the borders/fair tax fan...you have my vote!
John
www.thevoiceoftexas.org

The race has already been called: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/27/obama-wins-newspaper-declares/

Yeah, the American way of life is in such a state that millions of people are trying to get across the border. (I wonder which way they are going... nevermind - I digress). I am impressed that Mr Obama has said he will change stuff. Maybe fewer people will be coming across the border... or maybe (dare I hope for it) the trend will be reversed, and people will return home! I am sure their families will be glad to see them... Such a rosy thought - so much can be said for "hope" and "change"!

@ coolkraft Heh!

@ valornhonor Sure, *some* people jet in to the Mayo, but huge numbers of Americans are leaving the country for their own health care. To India, for example, for a heart-valve replacement.
"...outsourcing health care is becoming a big business for Americans, too. Over the past couple of years, American companies have become middlemen between American consumers and hospitals overseas. These companies arrange everything for American consumers who want to go overseas for their healthcare. They negotiate pricing with hospitals, book flights and hotel rooms, and even set up sightseeing tours for their American customers. According to the article, these companies are even cheap to operate. Apparently, anyone can run a medical tourism business. Currently, there are no licensing requirements either in the United States or abroad and cheap access to the Internet helps keep operating costs low." http://tinyurl.com/5frbyz

'course, outsourcing *everything* has its drawbacks...

When you hear the term medical tourism, you probably think of the number of uninsured Americans taking advantage of low-cost heart surgery and hip replacement procedures in places like Thailand and India.

But while the trend continues, and raises important questions about why so many Americans can't afford health care at home, a new report points out that the largest segment of medical travelers are headed stateside. And, experts say, they're also growing in numbers.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/25/health-hospitals-care-forbeslife-cx_avd_outsourcing08_0529healthoutsourcing.html

That is the beauty of freedom :-)

On March 31, 2008, the Politico revealed that “Obama endorsed a complete ban on all handguns” in a general candidate questionnaire he filled out on September 9, 1995.

This is why the NRA keeps telling people that Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand, he says, “I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms,” while on the other he supports a complete ban on the arms they would bear.

Proving he meant it when he said states, cities, and municipalities should be able to regulate and restrict the Second Amendment, Obama supported these unconstitutional bans when a 2003 case in Wilmette, Ill. provided him the opportunity to stand up for the “individual right” he also claims to support.

Barack Obama opposed laws that would allow handguns for self defense - four seperate times.

He supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park (which is tantamount to banning gun stores period); he supported H.B. 2579, which prohibited law-abiding individuals from purchasing more than one gun a month; he opposed laws that permitted law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense (i.e., he opposed concealed carry permits); he supported a ban on “junk guns” (cheaper guns that poor people could actually afford to buy and use for self defense); and he voted not to inform gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them (S.B. 1936).

He supports the reintroduction of the assault weapons ban; he favors a ban on high capacity magazines; he voted with Ted Kennedy on ammunition bans (that included hunting ammunition); and most troubling of all, he voted against the confirmation of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29208

@rob the top 80% don't pay take they make the government a offer or say take me to court and then the tax office accept it

opps tax

Things are heating up in Orange County!

Tuesday afternoon the camera saw this: A nine-year-old-year-old neighbor trotted up with an Obama-Biden sign in his hand, grabbed a handful of volts as he touched the McCain-Palin sign, then quickly ran away.

http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/1273910.html

Michelle Obama is my hero!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyDqQW2adPk

Barack is no moderate & doesn't want moderate Democrats in the party!

"it is necessary for Democrats to get some backbone, give as good as they get, brook no compromise, drive out Democrats who are interested in “appeasing” the right wing, and enforce a more clearly progressive agenda."

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-letter-to-the-daily-kos

That is a one way street to the left...

The Washington Times, N.Y. Post and Dallas Morning News -- three newspapers that recently endorsed John McCain -- have been kicked off Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's plane in the final days of his campaign.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/31/washington-times-kicked-obama-plane-finale/

The one you must read: Letter to Obama:
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/janak/081031

PREPARE TO BE SHOCKED!

I hope I'm shocked, because I have 7k+ on old and white

Writer and speechwriter for Obama, Edwards and Clinton explaines why she is voting McCain

http://tinyurl.com/65l3us

@notablenotices,

do you really think you can impress any Hubdubber by campaigning for McCain here all around?

I'm wondering what you will do IF Obama is elected in the end ... despite all your efforts here ...

I wonder if anyone thinks they can impress any Hubdubber by campaigning for Obama here all around.

I can't speak for Notable, but IF Obama wins, life will go on. The people will oppose him if he tries to enact radical left wing redistribution policies. If BHO takes us back to the '70s, it won't be pleasant, but we will eventually recover. A BHO presidency would usher in another 1994 in 2010. He could do a lot of damage in 2 years, but a repeat of 1994 would render him impotent for his last 2-6 years. Universal health care (socialism, as I call it) under Billary was, in my opinion, largely responsible for 1994... In the long run a BHO win, while painful in the short run, could be the best thing to happen for the conservative movement.

Conservatives don't have a candidate this time around. The choice is between a moderate and an extreme left wing socialist. Whoever wins, conservatives will have to rebuild the Republican party and bring it back to it's conservative roots.

If Obama wins... what will I do? I will be bummed for a day, and then I'll have fun watching the circus that is sure to ensue... the most entertaining aspect will be the MSM blaming any and all BHO failures/setbacks on the minority party (Republicans). If Democrats had 99% control they would still blame their failures on the opposition. Listen closely to the current Democrats that control D.C. - they love the blame game.

I trust our system of checks and balances will protect us in the future as it has in the past.
Gridlock, baby! Gridlock and bipartisanship... slow those meddlers down!!!

well, over the last week, it just seems to be around 90% of all politically motivated comments (which were not responds to someone else's) were made by notible.

f_o_f
I really think your comment was the most honest, realistic, less negative, and most relaxed I read the last few days. this is what it will be like: not so much a change after all - regardless who will win the election. the US will stay the US (in both negative but also the positive ways) - no doubt about it.

Total agreement with Krujis and FOF. If voting changes anything, anyway, it would be illegal. :)

2010 will be a SLAUGHTER for the Dem in the house and senate just like it was in 2006 for the R.

If Obama is elected, life will go on. He will raise taxes on firms which is the exact move Hoover pulled to cause the last Depression. This recession may very well become a Depression if Obama is elected. He may even be able to drag out the blame for two terms the way FDR did. We will see a "New New Deal" and we will see a continuation of our current LARGEST EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT since the 1930's. 2016 may be the true test for America. GOP will most likely have both floors by then and Ronald Reagan 2 will be on the sideline.

Pessimistic? You bet. This is an extreme, but I still think its possible. What I would gain out of it all is the fact that America would once again teach itself a lesson. Most ironically (or maybe it just makes sense) this would happen when our Americans who lived through it all before will be dwindling in numbers.

If McCain is elected... well I won't be all that happy either. We will do a lot better, but the truth is America will most likely keep a trend to the left because of it.

Having little faith in the integrity of the counting process, I reckon the frozen chip man could win . . . God help us all.

McCain is going to win. I say this not because I want him to and not because he is the lesser of two evils. I know I couldn't be more the odd man out on this but I've been crunching the numbers, studying the electoral count situations, factoring in a small amount of polling bias and incompetence, and, I must admit, speculating that a fairly large number of the 'undecideds' are going to break for McCain when they finally have to pull the trigger in the voting booth with their sweaty palms. The back-breaker for Obama will turn out to be the infamous 'Joe the Plumber' blunder. This election has been an absolutely horrific nightmare and I hope never to see such bitter divisions in this country again. I can't wait for this thing to just end. Two years of vigorous campaigning is just plain over the top.

@kruijs:

Hubdub is a prediction site. No one will be impressed if the predictions are wrong. It is important to provide all the data, instead of having an Obama echo chamber here. Does anyone think that Barack will win 93% of the vote? I personally doubt that he will win at all, but that is what the odds are on this question. We need both sides, and that is what I am aiming for.

@notable:
providing all the data? thanks for keeping the balance by providing all that data which is intended to denigrate in a contemptuous way. and none of the data which could be interpreted in a negative way for McCain.
Obviously, because people are betting for Obama, the chances that he will win are around 93%. I think most of the Hubdub players know that this is not the prediction of the resulting percentages but the prediction of who will win.
I agree with you that I personally am not so sure that Obama will win, as you can see, my stakes are on McCain right now (already loosing because I was too early)

You're welcome :-)

Why do McCain voters hate America so much? Do you want the economy to fail?

Surely it has already failed, or dont you follow the news .Its just that they refuse to omit it

refuse to omit it?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but McCain voters are not brushing off the economic trouble whatsoever. They understand that it can be solved and that isn't with higher taxes and wasted money.

A few financial institutions mess up & lend out some cash that can't be paid back & suddenly the worlds falling apart. I don't believe a word of it, it's simply another example of the powers that be keeping the people worried, because worried people are easier to control. The most powerful nations on earth, the richest people in the world & we're supposed to believe they've got no control over this, oh please, let's get real. It's every governments wet dream to be able to raise taxes without loosing their voters, well seems they've found a way to do that then.

give me my o back . . . we should be able to edit our comments.

#92 - Why does Obama hate America so much? You'd never catch me haning arround terrorists.

you are so predictable and tiresome voice of baloney.org

robamichael - again a very good theory. i hope we don't get the depression, but it's very possible. the big question is how long the american people will give slack to who ever is elected. people tend to vote their wallet's more than anything. if things are in really bad shape (2012) the people might throw out most of washington.

wasting money? what about so, let's say, hmmm, 340M US$ per day?

(http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home)

#100 I am sorry that killing terrorists and liberating people isn't a priority to you. I love how liberals are against a war with minimal fatalities (yes I am an Iraqi Freedom Vet) but you support killing over 3000 babies PER DAY. Conservatives kill the guilty and protect the innocent...liberals protect the guilty and kill the innocent.

ah wasting money: McCain at 3%, that's cool!

I am against killing, in general.

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Thank you for your service!

America has decided, we want 4 years of Obama jokes as opposed to 4 years of McCain jokes.

EXCUSE ME!!!

This settled too early... count every vote!!!

"has been projected to be"? That was not in the settlement details.

I want to offer my sincerest apologies to you thick-headed Republican, Kool-Aid drinking hub-bubbers who ignored every poll and bet thousands of dollars that an aging, torture victim would win the presidencty. I will enjoy receiving your money.

yeah... it takes all the fun out of watching the results coming in

OK. McCain concedes

@jsevigny - My pleasure... you're welcome... I enjoyed every minute of it :-)

Palin 2012

Oh excellent. I agree, Palin 2012. That sounds like a great plan.

Palin will be forgotten within three days.

I wonder how the guys that Barack "pals around with" will be celebrating... maybe someone should send them a note to remind them not to blow anything up!

I think that it is time to put the snark aside. Both Senator McCain and President Elect Obama have asked for unity. That is what it will take to heal our country from the nastiness of the past year.

CONGRATULATIONS OBAMA, HIS FAMILY, AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!!1WE WON!!!

No...America lost.

right on maxime

Well i must admit, i never considered for an instant that Obama had a chance. Looking at the results, it seems almost surreal to me. I just hope that the republican party can retake the senate so that there will be balance. Of course i think that if the democratic party fails, just like the republican party failed, they wont be going to the republicans this time. We may actually see an independent take the election come 2012 RALPH NADER! 2012!

My loss in the last day on hubdub is 12500....

ow!

Def a congrats to Obama, but I still think it spells trouble

Whoo hooooo!!!

Check out comment #113... I've been slammmmed by the nicest person on hubdub!!!

Hee hee... awesome comeback response to my comment #112, Jeni!!!

@fof :)

i think palin has a big future in politics. she has to get past-over the beating she took in the MSM. i think the true palin wasn't really seen in this election. she had to follow mccain's plan and views. be interesting to see what she can do just being herself-running on her idea's. let's not forget newt gingrich..the MSM globbered him and he engineered the rep takeover. if he coulda kept his willie in his pants he mighta been prez gingrich.

To 'thevoiceoftexas_org', since the international forces went into Iraq considerably more people have been slaughtered than in the 24 years Sadam ruled. He was the first man to bring lasting peace to that region in about 7000 years. Yes, his methods were harsh but only against those that tried to break the peace that he strove so hard to create & considerably less harsh than those of the west. By the outbreak of the 1st gulf war he had created better schooling & a better national health service than either the U.S. or the U.K. had to offer. Let's also not forget that their were no 'weapons of mass distruction'.

So before you start preaching get yourself acquainted with the facts, though in all honesty I wouldn't expect much from someone who considers themselves the voice of a piece of land that was forcefully & brutally stolen from Mexico. I find it constantly bemusing how the U.S. bitch about Mexicans 'illegally' attempting to cross a border into a place that rightfully belongs to Mexico.

The U.S. & U.K. governments are & always have been the worlds most brutal & deadly 'terrorists' & I am nothing short of ashamed to be associated with them. It's about time that the western world opened it's eyes & realized that they are being ruled by nothing better than a bunch of fascist dictators disguising themselves under the false banner of democracy.

One can only hope that Obama is the beginning of the end of that but, I fear that he like so many before him, is just a puppet figurehead being controlled by the strings held by the worlds money men. I honestly hope that isn't the case but should it turn out to be that way then it is doubtless time for us, the people, to rise up & rightfully reclaim these lands that our enlightened forefathers strove so hard to make great through hard graft & the striving for peace between all peoples.

God bless the common man.

hahhaaahhaa.... yer funny peace_of_mind... nice satire... Sadam keeping the peace utilizing rape and torture rooms... hee hee, you're right, that's harsh... I love your sadistic sense of humor

Did you hear ralph naders thoughts on Obama? He said that Obama was a "Slave for the giant corperations". Maybe hes setting back the black population a hundred and fifty years! To hell with facts lets rise up and rightfully reclaim these lands from democrats right now! Revolution! Revolution! Lets get John McCain and Sarah to the spot they rightfully deserve!

@Peace of Mind
I agree with F_O_F - you could not be informed and serious, so you must have a twisted sense of humor. He he he he.

Google search of Saddam's Death count turned up the following info:
# Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979-2003): 300,000
* Human Rights Watch: "twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule ... murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis" [http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm]
* 8/9 Dec. 2003 AP: Total murders
o New survey estimates 61,000 residents of Baghdad executed by Saddam.
o US Government estimates a total of 300,000 murders
+ 180,000 Kurds k. in Anfal
+ 60,000 Shiites in 1991
+ 50,000 misc. others executed
o "Human rights officials" est.: 500,000
o Iraqi politicians: over a million
* [These don't include the million or so dead in the Iran-Iraq War.]

In comparison - IBC (Iraq Body Count) shows the following estimate:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Documented civilian deaths from violence
88,947 - 97,084
Saddam kept the peace by running a dictatorship. Now the citizens of Iraq can vote in elections. And you would advocate a return to the oppressive rule of Saddam. Incredible!

Better national health service - Considering that we do not have a national health service - yet, then I guess you are right. But I have never heard of anyone going to Saddam's Iraq because of the superior medical service available there.

Better schooling - you may be right - Our public school system is operated by and for the teachers union, instead of being for the students and future leaders of our country.

#127, about 400 heros have lost their lives in the 5 years of the war. However liberals don't care about the 3000 babies were legally murdered in the America TODAY. Soldiers volunteer to serve...Babies don't get a choice. The mom made her choice when she climbed into the back seat of the car...she should live with the concequences of that decision.

.... Way to totally switch topics tvot.

"Soldiers volunteer to serve" "the consequences of that decision" "about 400" "lost their lives"

Voice of Texas --- add a zero to that 400. As for whether or not they are heroes, I suppose that's a matter of opinion. Also, there is no such thing as "legal murder." Murder is in fact a legal term. But yes, you have changed the subject drastically. It might be wiser to open a forum discussion on abortion.

I think it was a legitimate mistake about the 400 vs 4000. And yes they are heros. You know how i know? Because i used to be one. BOW BEFORE YOUR HERO JSEVIGNY!

@jsevigny:

That is an interesting thought. There certainly is a case for claiming there is generally malice aforethought, and motives are usually obvious. The life taken is always inocent too.
Laws and morals are two separate things, and the President elect has tried to separate them even further by arguing (multiple times) in favor of infantacide, for instance.