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3rd Presidential Debate Oct 15 -- How many times will Obama "set the record straight"?
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In the 2 previous debates, there were several moments when Obama had to "set the record straight" for McCain. How many times will that happen on the 3rd Presidental debate?
The veracity of the facts in discussion is irrelevant for this market.
The answers on this market refer only to the number of times Obama explicitly and directly states McCain is not telling the truth and/or corrects the facts - eventually using expressions like "I've got to correct Senator McCain on this", "That's not true", "Set the record straight"...- ie, it doesn't count when he just shakes his head or isn't given the chance to intervene.
The veracity of the facts in discussion is irrelevant for this market.
The answers on this market refer only to the number of times Obama explicitly and directly states McCain is not telling the truth and/or corrects the facts - eventually using expressions like "I've got to correct Senator McCain on this", "That's not true", "Set the record straight"...- ie, it doesn't count when he just shakes his head or isn't given the chance to intervene.
Settlement details:
As reported by a major mainstream news source.
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Suspend date: Wed 15th Oct 5:59pm PDT
Initial likelihoods: 0 - it doesn't happen: 10%, 1-2 times: 30%, 3-4 times: 30%, 4-5 times: 20%, 6 or more times: 10%
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conspiracy2riot: This question is suspended but it has been resolved. Obama said 'set the record straight' ONCE.
News results for 3rd presidential debate: obama sets record straight reported in the San Francisco Chronicle Oct. 16, 2008
BBC News
Heated third debate between McCain, Obama - Oct 15, 2008
Throughout the third and final 90-minute debate, at Hofstra University in ... Obama said he wanted to "set the record straight," noting that Ayers - now a ...
San Francisco Chronicle - 4859 related articles »
I've cut part of the article here:
But as in the first two debates, CNN polls showed that people watching the debate believed Obama won the contest, 58 to 31 percent, and that viewers had more unfavorable views of McCain after the event. A CBS poll showed 53 percent of viewers believed Obama to be the winner, compared to just 22 percent for McCain.
McCain, who needed to seize the moment and show his expertise on the economy, started out strong and on offense on taxes and economic issues, but he veered off into a lengthy discussion of Ayers and ACORN, which he claimed is involved in voter fraud that may be "destroying the fabric of democracy."
Obama challenged him, saying that American voters have pressing issues to hear about and "when people suggest that I pal around with terrorists, then we're not talking about issues."
McCain responded sharply, "I don't care about an old, washed-up terrorist," but added "we need to know the full extent of that relationship."
Obama said he wanted to "set the record straight," noting that Ayers - now a professor of education in Chicago - was involved in radical activities "40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."
Now....can I have my money?
conspiracy2riot: This question is suspended but it has been resolved. Obama said 'set the record straight' ONCE.
News results for 3rd presidential debate: obama sets record straight reported in the San Francisco Chronicle Oct. 16, 2008
BBC News
Heated third debate between McCain, Obama - Oct 15, 2008
Throughout the third and final 90-minute debate, at Hofstra University in ... Obama said he wanted to "set the record straight," noting that Ayers - now a ...
San Francisco Chronicle - 4859 related articles »
I've cut part of the article here:
But as in the first two debates, CNN polls showed that people watching the debate believed Obama won the contest, 58 to 31 percent, and that viewers had more unfavorable views of McCain after the event. A CBS poll showed 53 percent of viewers believed Obama to be the winner, compared to just 22 percent for McCain.
McCain, who needed to seize the moment and show his expertise on the economy, started out strong and on offense on taxes and economic issues, but he veered off into a lengthy discussion of Ayers and ACORN, which he claimed is involved in voter fraud that may be "destroying the fabric of democracy."
Obama challenged him, saying that American voters have pressing issues to hear about and "when people suggest that I pal around with terrorists, then we're not talking about issues."
McCain responded sharply, "I don't care about an old, washed-up terrorist," but added "we need to know the full extent of that relationship."
Obama said he wanted to "set the record straight," noting that Ayers - now a professor of education in Chicago - was involved in radical activities "40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."
Now....can I have my money?
Settlement requested Sat 18th Oct 2:58pm PDT by 
joaoxxx: Corrected McCain on health care (re:fines). Corrected McCain on Bill Ayers (re: sending 200k to ACORN, etc). Corrected McCain on Education (re:vote for tax increase). Corrected McCain on Abortion (re: failed birth medical care). He also said "let's set the record straight" once and "that's not true" twice. To me that settles either as 4, 3, or 7 if you count both answers. Then again, 4 is there as an answer two times (3-4, 4-5), which might lead to voiding the question anyway.
joaoxxx: Corrected McCain on health care (re:fines). Corrected McCain on Bill Ayers (re: sending 200k to ACORN, etc). Corrected McCain on Education (re:vote for tax increase). Corrected McCain on Abortion (re: failed birth medical care). He also said "let's set the record straight" once and "that's not true" twice. To me that settles either as 4, 3, or 7 if you count both answers. Then again, 4 is there as an answer two times (3-4, 4-5), which might lead to voiding the question anyway.
Voided Sat 18th Oct 4:55pm PDT by destry: Options overlap for a settlement of 4.
destry: Options overlap for a settlement of 4.
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Just because one candidate "corrects" another does not mean that any correcting was done at all. In fact the straight record could have been the first one said and can only be proven through some tedious analysis depending on what was said.
In previous debates these moments were really obvious (and interesting) so I don't think it will be that hard to count them.
How about a new word for the hubdub lexicon: "terrierists". Defined as: politicians hell-bent on blowing up an extended political campaign, who just won't let go.
OBAMA: Bob, I think it's going to be important to just -- I'll respond to these two particular allegations that Senator McCain has made and that have gotten a lot of attention.
In fact, Mr. Ayers has become the centerpiece of Senator McCain's campaign over the last two or three weeks. This has been their primary focus. So let's get the record straight. Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago.
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