
Will the Dow Jones Industrial Average open higher on October 20?
DJIA opened 0.08 points higher at 8852.30
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By taking stock of all the conditions and Lehman's CDS payout. Will Dow Jones open up?
Settlement details:
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Settled
| Yes |
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| No |
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Suspend date: Mon 20th Oct 2008 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Mon 20th Oct 2008 6:43am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Mon 20th Oct 2008 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
Initial likelihoods: Yes: 30%
Action history:
Suspend date: Mon 20th Oct 2008 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Mon 20th Oct 2008 6:43am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Mon 20th Oct 2008 12:59am PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
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Predictions (41)
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Comments (13)
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Please let me know your thoughts. I'm leaning toward suspending this market for further review unless their are different viewpoints.
I'd like to hear the creator's reasoning for the 30% figure chosen to start the question. If there are valid reasons for that, they should be in the background to provide more info for the players.
I think that having the starting odds vary between 40-60% might be very reasonable for this question if the question was created daily and odds were set in accordance to news and expectations. If the market has a strong movement in one direction on one day, then usually the expectation might be for a reversal the next day. 50/50 might not be accurate, perhaps 45/55 or 40/60 would be better in some of these cases.
I do like having this question closing well before the opening bell, because quite often information regarding futures movement and the condition of European and Asian markets provide strong indications of how the Dow will open. After all of that information is known, it becomes less of a predictive question and more of a reactive question, particularly as we get very close to the opening of the exchange.
For the time being, I'm in favor of letting this question stay alive, but I may be taking a second look at the one posed for Tuesday, which started with the same percentage.
Who will get impacted most or might go belly up?
Derivatives specialists insist it is impossible to predict which investors will be hit hardest by the losses on Lehman CDSs, which are spread far and wide, as Lehman was one of the most actively traded credit default swaps. Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland are likely to be prominent among those required to pay out on Lehman CDSs. Meanwhile, counterparties failing to meet their CDS obligations to the two banks could lead to significant writedowns. Against this, tangible shareholders' equity bases of £20bn to £30bn seem like cloth tents in a hurricane.
On the heels of similar auction processes for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Washington Mutual late last month, on Oct 10th auction for CDS of Lehman were done for the bond holder and on Oct 21st payout will be done for naked bond holders. For now, traders in the equity market are concerned about the prospects for the settlement, adding that its uncertainty is casting a dark cloud over the most likely holders of the debt — big banks such as Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan Chase.
This Lehman credit default swaps settlement auction will likely be one of the most expensive payouts in the history of that market, something the government is certainly keeping an eye on.
http://www.hbjcapital.com/2008/10/lehman-cds-payout-on-october-21-one-of.html
http://meetglad.blogspot.com/
Starting odds nor the suspend time are not accurate.
As I see things, users who took advantage from the initial 30% odds for the "yes" option will make some unexpectedly big (and far too easy) gains with the support of the HD administration.
Make the odds reflecting your own very subjective and doubtfully founded opinion is a bold and self-confident approach. I was left with the impression that Hubdub does not tolerate such an approach.
To put the suspend time on a Dow open question 6 hours earlier is also an innovative method tending to transform those type of questions into a lottery.
Far too many questions were voided for far less than that.
And I really wonder why the Hubdub administartion tolerate and favorise some obviously extravagant questions and questions creators when in the same time others are subject to growing restrictions and negative approach.
I think there is a valid point to adjusting the odds a bit from 50/50 if the question is created the day before the settlement point. There may be a very valid reason for it to be expected for the market to open one way or another based upon current information. 30% seemed a little low to me, but the market seemed to have adjusted upwards at one point, and then prior to suspension came back down. We'll see how this goes once the DJIA opens.
I am considering voiding the Tuesday question though, because it has the same odds setup, but is not reacting to Monday's developments. If these questions are created well enough in advance, setting them at 50/50 is the proper thing to do, as players can begin wagering on them well in advance and by the time we get to the period 12 hours in advance of settlement market odds will have been adjusted by the bettors themselves.
However, we are looking at suspending these up or down opening questions earlier. Many futures markets and reports are available ahead of the openings, and their information may influence wagering. We are still trying to predict, not react, so closing this question 1 to 2 hours in advance may be the correct action to protect the integrity of the question. This would still allow players to react to market conditions in Europe and Asia and decide how they think the US markets would be affected.
Exactly. Let the predictors decide the direction of trend.
I'm still wondering why the restrictions in business market are growing more and more? What is the purpose of the administration?
To put the suspend time on a Dow open question hours earlier is not a step to increase the interest in this market, because in last 1 hour before opening are coming very important news, which are influence on the opening. That's why this strategy don't make sense at all.
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