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Will a law be enacted by end of 2009 abolishing at least some tax breaks for 401k plans?

Current forecast: No, there will be no changes (57% chance)
Combining all predictions, the current most likely outcome is No, there will be no changes with a probability of 57% (unchanged in last 1 day)

Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation’s $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive.

Under Ghilarducci’s plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.

source:
http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php


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Initial likelihoods: Yes, only contributions will be taxed : 15%, Yes, only gains will be taxed : 15%, Yes, contributions and gains will both be taxed : 20%, Yes, both taxed and 5% contribution is mandatory: 10%, No, there will be no changes: 40%

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Created Wed 19th Nov 2008 2:03pm PST by thisson

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Predictions (12)

12 predictions

6 days ago
fellcolor predicted No, there will be no changes (H$1,500 at 50%)
4 weeks ago
catrocketship predicted No, there will be no changes (H$100 at 43%)
5 weeks ago
guruzilla predicted No, there will be no changes (H$20 at 42%)
7 weeks ago
thisson predicted Yes, only contributions will be taxed (H$20 at 15%)
7 weeks ago
sdchargers[Power User] predicted No, there will be no changes (H$100 at 43%)
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Comments (15)

  1 thisson
This is my first published question, so let me know if anything needs clarification.
posted 7 weeks ago
Here are two articles that are related:

401(k) plans under scrutiny
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/16/business/fi-retire16

and

http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/dems-target-private-retirement-accounts.html
RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration.
posted 7 weeks ago
One more:

Targeting Your 401(k)
Congress has an eye on the tax break for your retirement.

You may have heard about Argentina's plan to nationalize private retirement accounts. Some Democrats on Capitol Hill are inspired, and with their big election victory they may get the chance to test Peronist ideas in America.

Meet Congressmen George Miller and Jim McDermott, who are eager to change the way Americans save for their golden years. They'll also be powerbrokers in the next Congress.

http://online.wsj.com/artihttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB122662401729126813.htmlcle/SB122662401729126813.html
posted 7 weeks ago
  4 dieseldog
looks like a fine question thisson. the USA govt ruined the Social Security system in place, now they wanna make another fund they can "manage"...what a joke.
posted 7 weeks ago
@dieseldog:

I agree - they spent all the Social Security money by "borrowing" it for the general fund, and now they would like our 401k savings too! They just did a similar move in Argentina, and made a lot of people angry.

On the other hand, I love how the good folk of Galveston Texas opted out of Social Security for their county workers, and have been an example of what is possible if the Government doesn't hold us back. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba514/
posted 6 weeks ago
  6 dieseldog
nn - i know folks who opted out of Social Security. proablly the smartest thing they ever did. wait till all the baby bommer's kids have to pay higher SS taxes to cover the baby boomers retiring. i can see it now..lil johnny still living at home when he's 40. his mom will say johnny why don't you move out? well mom i can't afford to...SS taxes eat up 40% of my pay check. :O)
posted 6 weeks ago
  7 thisson
Big surprise, most people don't want to lose the tax advantages of their 401(k). Who are the r-tards that do?

Source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601213&sid=acTvscKxUOFw&refer=home
posted 2 weeks ago
@dieseldog - How do we opt out of Social inSecurity? Sign me up!
posted 2 weeks ago
  9 dieseldog
f-o-f - SS is a volantary deal. tell your employer you don't wanna be in it. if he gives you grief let me know and i'll get ya the info on how to get out.

nn - nice to see the little guy back.
posted 2 weeks ago
@dieseldog: Yeah! he is my nephew... he is a lot of fun & I don't have any of the responsilbities! :-)
posted 2 weeks ago
  11 thisson
Guys, I did some research on this once before and as far as I can tell, you cannot opt out of Social Security. You used to be able to, but the window on that closed a long time ago. There are stories on the internet about a municipality (in Texas, I think) that opted out, and how it's investment experience has compared to what S.S. is doing. Google it.
posted 2 weeks ago
  12 dieseldog
thisson - the state police in my state opted out..not sure how long ago. i'll look into it and see if things have changed as you say. how can they force anybody to stay in a voluntary program?
posted 2 weeks ago
  13 dieseldog
There have only been a handful of exceptions to this rule, generally involving persons working for state/local governments. Under certain conditions, employees of state/local governments have been able to voluntarily choose to have their employment covered or not covered.

how can the govt pick and choose who can and can't? i know non govt workers who opted out. i'll try to contact them and see if they know anything. to my kowledge they ain't in jail or in trouble with the law.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html
posted 2 weeks ago
I think religious clergy can opt out - like ordained ministers, priests, rabbis and mullahs. At least that is what I have been told, but don't have a source to point to.
posted 2 weeks ago
  15 dieseldog
f-o-f - it ain't as easy as i thought. it's really easy if your self employeed. if not then you gotta do alot of paper work.
posted 2 weeks ago

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