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cjg999

Which "foe" will Obama have face-to-face talks with first?
Background: Category Editor Notation While there is much agreement that Obama and Chavez were in the same room during the summit, there is definitely not enough of agreement about the discussion, and what exactly would constitute face-to-face. It is the category editors opinion and therefore will be the terms to settle the market that a direct dialogue must occur between the two individuals, I am understanding face to face talks to be the two individuals engaging in more than just pleasantries.
There was much discussion about Obama meeting with enemies of the US. Which "enemy" will Obama have direct in-person talks with first?
There are plenty of other names that could be added, but I'm going with those I've seen discussed most often. You could argue about Putin, Medvedev and Jintao, but their status as enemies is debatable. The three below are clear. Also, I could have included the Ayatollah Khamenei, but I haven't seen speculation about Obama meeting with him. Another possibility would be Raul Castro.
If Obama meets with any of these leaders or if all of them die or if they are all removed from their leadership status, settlement should occur immediately.
Finally, I'm giving Chavez a slightly higher initial Likelihood based on the following article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=atCuTtQ6B1pM&refer=latin_america)
There was much discussion about Obama meeting with enemies of the US. Which "enemy" will Obama have direct in-person talks with first?
There are plenty of other names that could be added, but I'm going with those I've seen discussed most often. You could argue about Putin, Medvedev and Jintao, but their status as enemies is debatable. The three below are clear. Also, I could have included the Ayatollah Khamenei, but I haven't seen speculation about Obama meeting with him. Another possibility would be Raul Castro.
If Obama meets with any of these leaders or if all of them die or if they are all removed from their leadership status, settlement should occur immediately.
Finally, I'm giving Chavez a slightly higher initial Likelihood based on the following article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=atCuTtQ6B1pM&refer=latin_america)
Settlement details:As reported by a major mainstream news source.
| Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran) |
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| Kim Jong-Il (North Korea) |
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| Hugo Chavez (Venezuela) |
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| None of the above |
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Initial likelihoods: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran): 20%, Kim Jong-Il (North Korea): 20%, Hugo Chavez (Venezuela): 35%, None of the above: 25%
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Created Tue 6th Jan 5:59am PST by
cjg999
Settlement requested Fri 17th Apr 6:34pm PST by
cjg999
: Assuming words were exchanged, this should settle this.
"Before addressing the representatives of 34 countries at the Summit of the Americas, Obama and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez saw each other and shook hands."
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/17/obama.latinamerica/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
"Before addressing the representatives of 34 countries at the Summit of the Americas, Obama and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez saw each other and shook hands."
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/17/obama.latinamerica/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
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curios: Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), told CNN on Sunday it was "irresponsible" for Obama to be seen "laughing and joking" with Chavez.
Obama dismissed such concerns. He said the 2008 campaign proved that American voters want the president to engage his counterparts, whether they are avowed friends of the U.S. or not
Obama dismissed such concerns. He said the 2008 campaign proved that American voters want the president to engage his counterparts, whether they are avowed friends of the U.S. or not
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: See previous settlement requests. Can we have an explanation for why this hasn't settled?
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... <b><center>Category Editor Notation</center></b>While there is much agreement that Obama and Chavez were in the same room during the summit, there is definitely not enough of agreement about the discussion, and what exactly would constitute face-to-face. It is the category editors opinion and therefore will be the terms to settle the market that a direct dialogue must occur between the two individuals, I am understanding face to face talks to be the two individuals engaging in more than just pleasantries.<br/> There was much discussion about ... possibility would be Raul Castro. <.<br/> <br/> If Obama meets ... com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=atCuTtQ6B1pM&refer=latin_america">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=atCuTtQ6B1pM&refer=latin_america</a>)
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"President Barack Obama and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez are both scheduled to attend an April 17-19 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago."
"Chavez was said to have told Obama at that moment: "I shook hands with [former US president George W.] Bush with this hand eight years ago. I want to be your friend."
Obama responded by thanking Chavez, the official said."
http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/noticia/38602/imagenes-del-ultimo-encuentro-entre-chavez-y-obama/
Obama dismissed such concerns. He said the 2008 campaign proved that American voters want the president to engage his counterparts, whether they are avowed friends of the U.S. or not
In FOF's link, Obama is clearly talking with Chavez. That definitely settles it in my mind. I didn't specify formal talks or anything like that in the question. Improptu talks are still talks.
I think the circumstances fit even the Merriam Webster definition, "a formal discussion, negotiation, or exchange of views —often used in plural". I'd say anything involving 2 heads of state constitutes a formal discussion or exchange of views (I think I read that specific phrase being used by Obama when questioned about it - I'll try and dig it up).
"He was -- his comments about President Obama were -- expressed the hope that things have changed. He was civil in his remarks; he was critical of the past, however." (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Background-Briefing-By-Senior-Administration-Officials-On-The-Presidents-Meeting-With-Unasur-Countries-4/18/2009/)
And from here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Press-Gaggle-By-A-Senior-Administration-Official-4/17/2009/
Q One question. The web site from President Chavez said both leaders shook hands and Chavez told President Obama of his desire to change the relations between the nations. Does that correspond with your understanding of their conversation?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I wouldn't -- I wouldn't dispute that. And as I said, when President Chavez indicated that -- and not necessarily in the exact words, Mark, that you just read, but he did speak in English and say something to that extent -- President Obama simply smiled and went back to his place in the line.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Press-Conference-By-The-President-In-Trinidad-And-Tobago-4/19/2009/
"It's unlikely that as a consequence of me shaking hands or having a polite conversation with Mr. Chavez that we are endangering the strategic interests of the United States." I'd say a conversation = talks.
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