Created Wed 4th Feb 5:40am PST by
valornhonor
2nd Anniv of HD... Will any first page leaderboarders meet *these* criteria?
Background: My hope here is to spur some creativity with the following challenge...
Checking the Leaderboard just now I cannot find a single Hubdub member that meets ALL of the following metrics. Will any meet all of these on 1/28/10 noon PST?
1.) Minimum $1,000,000 in Hubdub account. (Currently 10/20).
2.) Minimum of 10% Open Predictions are public (Currently 10/20).
3.) Minimum 40 created questions (Currently only 3!)
4.) Minimum 1,000 comments (Currently 6/20).
5.) Minimum 100 friends (Currently 4/20).
Also, to avoid the appearance of gaming any member with an A or S adjacent to their name; A member of Admin or a Superuser will be excluded from consideration, currently 6 of the 20 names on the first page of the leaderboard are A's or S's.
Suspension is 24 hrs in advance of settlement date/time.
Good Luck!
Editor's clarification: At least one of the top 20 users on the leaderboard on the 2nd anniversary (1/28/10) has to meet all 5 criteria for this question be settled as Yes. It has been notified that it is possible to game this question but while possible it would be hard to do. I'll review if that is the case on settlement.
Checking the Leaderboard just now I cannot find a single Hubdub member that meets ALL of the following metrics. Will any meet all of these on 1/28/10 noon PST?
1.) Minimum $1,000,000 in Hubdub account. (Currently 10/20).
2.) Minimum of 10% Open Predictions are public (Currently 10/20).
3.) Minimum 40 created questions (Currently only 3!)
4.) Minimum 1,000 comments (Currently 6/20).
5.) Minimum 100 friends (Currently 4/20).
Also, to avoid the appearance of gaming any member with an A or S adjacent to their name; A member of Admin or a Superuser will be excluded from consideration, currently 6 of the 20 names on the first page of the leaderboard are A's or S's.
Suspension is 24 hrs in advance of settlement date/time.
Good Luck!
Editor's clarification: At least one of the top 20 users on the leaderboard on the 2nd anniversary (1/28/10) has to meet all 5 criteria for this question be settled as Yes. It has been notified that it is possible to game this question but while possible it would be hard to do. I'll review if that is the case on settlement.
Settlement details:As reported by HD Leaderboard at noon PST on 1/28/10.
- Activity: H$32,512 |
- Predictions: 48 |
Comments: 16
Suspend date: Wed 27th Jan 2010 12pm PST (9 weeks to go)
Initial likelihoods: Yes: 25%
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Created Wed 4th Feb 5:40am PST by
valornhonor
Clarified Wed 4th Feb 11:46am PST by
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: I think that would be a lot of work. However if we find gaming relating to this question then it will be voided. I'll keep it open for now.
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... creativity with the following challenge... <...<br/> <br/> Checking the Leaderboard ... 1/28/10 noon PST? <?<br/> <br/> 1.) Minimum $1, ... Hubdub account. (Currently 10/20). <).<br/> 2.) Minimum of 10% ... are public (Currently 10/20). <).<br/> 3.) Minimum 40 created questions (Currently only 3!) <!)<br/> 4.) Minimum 1,000 comments (Currently 6/20). <).<br/> 5.) Minimum 100 friends (Currently 4/20). <).<br/> <br/> Also, to avoid ... A's or S's. <.<br/> <br/> Suspension is 24 ... advance of settlement date/time. <.<br/> <br/> Good Luck!!<br/> <br/> Editor's clarification: At least one of the top 20 users on the leaderboard on the 2nd anniversary (1/28/10) has to meet all 5 criteria for this question be settled as Yes.
Suspend date: Wed 27th Jan 2010 12pm PST (9 weeks to go) details
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Does anyone really think we got on the Leaderboard spending 40 days and 40 nights in torture in THE GARDEN OF HUBDUB, writing 40 questions that weren't voided, suspended, dangled or mangled, or negotiating the re-edit of the re-edit? I found out quickly that I didn't qualify...Thank Goodness some people have the knack for this: the rest of us are spending our time predicting, which is a possible entry onto the Leaderboard...
You're exactly right, no one yet is this well rounded that I could find, but it would be a substantial thing to qualify on five of these metrics, I think a couple of Hubdubbers could attain it, if they're interested.
@dieseldog: you are kidding, aren't you? I am sure there are lots of folks who try to game a question one way or another. Who is the judge, the jury and the executioner?
Second IMHO if by my achievement I earn some additional money on this Q - why not.
Otherwise these kind of Qs that allow gaming should be instantly voided or forbidden. No questions concerning hubdub should be allowed because almost everything else is out of reach for gaming (hacking beside)
This is more flawed question design ( why not ask with 5 and only 500000 (first 100 Leaderboard)) than asking for only one with high conditions.
Hubdubing for me is using superior knowledge (including my own behavior) or better estimates to gain HD$. Naturally I will meet 3 conditions and the open predictions and friends are doable. Can somebody link me the rules concerning "gaming". I betted about 5000 in Feb and 5000 in May on the question. If requested I can cash in. Thought that valorn was promoting question creation, openness and forum activity with this Q.
Please clarify these kind of questions, S and A were banned but why not bann the whole Top 20.
I am just hubdubbing not gaming/cheating. There wont be any nonsence forum entries for example from me.
I remember another Q (number of HD Qs) were there was heavy gaming (70+ new rubbish Qs) and nothing happened. Most of these Qs were voided later.
2.2.11 Gaming
Gaming of the system is explicitly not allowed. Gaming includes:
• Creation of multiple accounts
• Creation of questions with deliberately inaccurate price estimates
• Use of multiple accounts to transfer Hubdub dollars from one to the other
However we cannot provide an exhaustive list of what is considered gaming. As a guide, if you believe the wider Hubdub community would consider an activity as gaming then it probably is.
In the event that user is considered to be gaming he/she then the procedure is as follows:
• 1st offence: Email warning
• 2nd offence: Fined 50% of net worth and publicly named for 2 weeks
• 3rd offence: Account deactivated
If the first offence is considered particularly blatant then we may move to the fine or deactivation.
We reserve the right to suspend or deactivate accounts at any time without prior notification.
With the three mentioned examples I have no problem and never tried anything like that.
My gaming definition is based on my behaviour (mostly hubdub Qs). I use the system and the rules to get ahead. If I am around 500K in the leaderboard and there is a Q asking for the number of Orcales at a certain date and I am somewhat invested in that Q why shouldn´t I influence the outcome.
If I could influence stocks in the markets I would do it = Capitalism !
I always controll my Net Worth and the questions I am heavyly invested in - at the moment I have 440K free cash.
There was a question were I bet 130K that I would have loved to "game" but I failed the effort neccessary to be in reach.
As you read above I am open and fair about my plan - I announce my intentions. And if I am not invested so much or otherwise in need of time there is a 10-15% chance that I won´t do it. There even is a possibility that I won´t cash in my bets & look for others in the Top 20 to meet the criteria and loose my predictions. 10K at the moment is not so important any more. With 543 open predictions for me only Qs > 30K invested or high possible gains are interesting.
2.2.5 Types of question
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* Individuals are not permitted to predict on markets over which they have direct control or excessive influence eg 'When will X have a net worth of $6 million Hubdollars' and 'When will Nicole Kidman announce her second pregnancy', where X and Nicole Kidman are known users on Hubdub.
Betting this Q and doing the requirements seems to be "direct control" - therefore I flag this Q to know if I better cash in my bets.
= I won´t meet the criteria.
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