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Created Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:32am PST by pulloverthatasstoophat

Will Rand Al'Thor die?

Background: Background: No this is not a death market. Rand is a fictional character in the Wheel of Time books. The 12th and final book in the series is coming out in the fall (or should) and the first 11 have been a little ambiguous as to whether he has to die at the end. The Final Battle is imminent and prophecies seem to suggest that Rand will not survive it, but we all know how vague prophecies can be...

Robert Jordan began the wildly successful Wheel of Time series in 1990 but died in 2007 before finishing the last book. His widow selected a relatively new author, Brandon Sanderson, to finish the book using Jordan's copious notes although reportedly Jordan had already written the ending.

For more on the book, see the Wikipedia entry or Jordan's website.

Category Editor note: Like TV/Movie plot line twists, markets related to book plotlines must be explicitly approved. As I am a personal fan of the series and already follow the news on the book, this one will be allowed. If you have ideas for other plot line markets you can email/shout.

Settlement details:This will be settled as "yes" only if Rand is dead at the end of the book. If he dies momentarily and then is "resurrected" in some fashion, it will not count. If an epilogue mentions his death of perfectly natural causes at a ripe old age or is set some thousand years into the future, it will not count.

There is some talk that the final book may be too long and will be split into two volumes. This market would encapsulate both volumes. Should the publish date be pushed back the market can likewise be extended (you can track Brandon's progress on his website: <a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">http://brandonsanderson.com/<;/a>). May suspend if plot details begin to leak or an early manuscript is posted online but will not settle until two weeks after the the actual book is published (and I get to read it).

 
Forecast history %
Yes
48%
No
52%
Question suspends in 1 year

Suspend date: Sat 1st Oct 2011 11:59pm PST (1 year to go)

Initial likelihoods: Yes: 50%

Action history:

Created Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:32am PST by pulloverthatasstoophat
Suspended Tue 17th Feb 2009 4:16am PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: I LOVE the World of Time books! I'm going to beef up this question a little bit this afternoon and then will reopen it.
Changed Question text Tue 17th Feb 2009 11:11am PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: ... Will Rand Al'Thor die in A Memory of Light?
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Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:21pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... died in 2007 before finishing the last book. His widow selected a relatively new author, Brian Sanderson, to finish the book using Jordan's copious notes.
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:21pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... the end of the book. If he dies momentarily and then is "resurrected" in some fashion, it will not count. If an epilogue mentions his death of perfectly natural causes at a ripe old age or is set some thousand years into the future, it will not count.
Changed Suspend date Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:21pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: was: "2009-11-01 23:59:00"
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:26pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... using Jordan's copious notes.<br/> <br/> F<br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor note:</b> Like TV/Movie plot line twists, markets related to book plotlines must be explicitly approved. As I am a personal fan of the series and already follow the news on the book, this one will be allowed. If you have ideas for other plot line markets you can email/shout.
Changed Question text Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:29pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: ... Will Rand Al'Thor die in A Memory of Light?
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:29pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... to die at the end.<. <br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... using Jordan's copious notes.<. <br/> <br/> F<For more on the book, see the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Memory_of_Light">Wikipedia entry</a> or <a href="http://dragonmount.com/Books/Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a> <br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:29pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... future, it will not count.. <br/> <br/> There is some talk that the final book may be too long and will be split into two volumes. This market would encapsulate both volumes. Should the publish date be pushed back the market can likewise be extended. May suspend if plot details begin to leak or an early manuscript is posted online but will not settle until the actual book is published (and I get to read it).
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:32pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... <b>Background:</b> No this is not a ... to die at the end. <. The Final Battle is imminent and prophecies seem to suggest that Rand will not survive it, but we all know how vague prophecies can be...<br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... using Jordan's copious notes. < although reportedly Jordan had already written the ending.<br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a> <><br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 12:37pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... plot line markets you can <a href="jenniandboys@gmail.com">email</a>/<a href="http://www.hubdub.com/users/jenniandboys">shout.</a>.
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... <b>Background:</b> <b>Background:</b> No this ... markets you can <a href="mailto:jenniandboys@gmail.com">email</a>/<
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... you can <a href="mailto:jenniandboysjenni@gmailhubdub.com">email</a>/<a href
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... <b>Background:</b> <b>Background:</b> <b>Background:</ ... selected a relatively new author, Brian, <a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">Brandon Sanderson, </a>, to finish the book using
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:37pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... how vague prophecies can be...<... <br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... had already written the ending.<. <br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a><> <br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor ... .com/users/jenniandboys">shout</a>.>. <br/>
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:37pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... market can likewise be extended. (you can track Brandon's progress on his &lt;a href="<a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">http://brandonsanderson.com/</a>">website&lt;/a>). May suspend if plot details ... but will not settle until two weeks after the the actual book is published
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:40pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... how vague prophecies can be... <...<br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... had already written the ending. <.<br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a> <><br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor ... .com/users/jenniandboys">shout</a>. <>.<br/>
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:40pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... future, it will not count. <.<br/> <br/> There is some ... Brandon's progress on his &lt;a href="<website: <a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">http://brandonsanderson.com/</a>">website&lt;/a>). May suspend if plot
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:40pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... how vague prophecies can be...<... <br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... had already written the ending.<. <br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a><> <br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor ... .com/users/jenniandboys">shout</a>.<>. <br/>
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:40pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... future, it will not count.<. <br/> <br/> There is some
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:41pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... <b>Background:</b> <b>Background:</b> <b>Background:</b> No this ... how vague prophecies can be... <...<br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... had already written the ending. <.<br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a> <><br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor ... .com/users/jenniandboys">shout</a>. <>.<br/>
Unsuspended Tue 17th Feb 2009 2:42pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 4:26pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... future, it will not count. <.<br/> <br/> There is some ... 's progress on his website: <: &lt;a href="<a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">http://brandonsanderson.com/</a>"><a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/&lt">http://brandonsanderson.com/&lt</a>;/a>). May suspend if plot
Changed Description Tue 17th Feb 2009 4:26pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... how vague prophecies can be...<... <br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... had already written the ending.<. <br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a><> <br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor ... .com/users/jenniandboys">shout</a>.<>. <br/>
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 4:26pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... future, it will not count.<. <br/> <br/> There is some
Changed Settlement info Tue 17th Feb 2009 4:28pm PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... 's progress on his website: &lt;a href="<: <a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">http://brandonsanderson.com/</a>"><a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/&lt">http://brandonsanderson.com/&lt</a>;/a>). May suspend if plot
Changed Suspend date Wed 1st Apr 2009 4:38am PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: was: "2009-10-01 23:59:00"
Changed Description Wed 1st Apr 2009 4:38am PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... how vague prophecies can be... <...<br/> <br/> Robert Jordan began ... had already written the ending. <.<br/> <br/> For more on ... /Memory_of_Light/">Jordan's website.</a> <><br/> <br/> <b>Category Editor ... .com/users/jenniandboys">shout</a>. <>.<br/>
Changed Settlement info Wed 1st Apr 2009 4:38am PST by jenniandboys[Admin]: show details
... future, it will not count. <.<br/> <br/> There is some ... 's progress on his website: <: &lt;a href="<a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/">http://brandonsanderson.com/</a>"><a href="http://brandonsanderson.com/&lt">http://brandonsanderson.com/&lt</a>;/a>). May suspend if plot

Suspend date: Sat 1st Oct 2011 11:59pm PST (1 year to go) details

 

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aylouis predicted Yes (H$50 at 48%)
31 weeks ago
liamkboom predicted No (H$100 at 52%)
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skins predicted No (H$100 at 52%)
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shackleford predicted No (H$100 at 52%)

Comments (13)

  1 jenniandboys[Admin]
PLEASE DO NOT POST SPOILERS IN THE COMMENTS! I would also be most appreciative if you do not send in settlement requests on this one as I promise I won't forget to settle it and I'd rather not have the book spoiled.
posted 1 year ago
  2 balcacer
No this is not a death market

Huh ???


Fictional death vs real death ?

Please, if you don't want death, it must be to all Q's, fictional and non fictional. To be equal
posted 1 year ago
  3 conspiracy2riot
I have some mixed feelings here too.
posted 1 year ago
  4 conspiracy2riot
I guess this proves this site is going to be nothing but a disneyland fluff q site.
posted 1 year ago
  5 mork[Power User]
You're overreacting Criot.
The new rule only applies to a small portion of questions on the site and many of them can be still allowed if asked in a slightly different manner.
I have been watching the commenting going on here the last couple of days and recognize that some of the people who are protesting this are using the approach of exaggerating how many questions this will affect. This question for example is obviously not offensive. Some may try to argue that it is offensive but my response would have to be "spare me."

I find it intriguing how the main tactic used to protest is to exaggerate how many questions this will affect. If this matter is indeed such a serious one, why would one feel the need to exaggerate it?
posted 1 year ago
  6 phules
I am assuming if he dies and is reborn, the answer is still no since he does not stay dead? Even if he becomes something else? Just wondering
posted 1 year ago
  7 jenniandboys[Admin]
@phules - Yes, you are correct. That is somewhat addressed under the settlement details. He must be dead at the end of the book for it to count.
posted 1 year ago
  8 conspiracy2riot
This question is just a dandy example of the bullshit places people who are offended by reality go to hide.

And I'm not exaggerating, mork. I've had to table 5 Q's on timely news stories because there's no clear way to get around the death factor and have them retain their impact.

But ya know what? I think I've found some Q's that have nothing to do with death that have some precedent set as being allowable here and they'll be a damn site more fun than this one.

Perhaps it's time to test the limits on what else needs to be banned here in the good ole family fun world of HD.
posted 1 year ago
  9 pulloverthatasstoophat
Conspiracy, you really need to calm down man. I agree with you about the death market ban but you do not help the cause when you say stuff like that or when you create questions about gay porn sites out of spite.
posted 1 year ago
  10 orlin
Btw, original question (Will Rand die?) was much better. And I would like to see question reedited to his original text.
Spoiling or not, in my opinion Rand probably will die. That's how all the enormous book sounds to me.
But I really hope that he will not.
If he will, I'll return back all my reading as a sign of protest :).
Cheers friends and fellow users!
And, Conspi: here's a little remark. All your recent series of "porn" questions is nothing but simple lack of good taste. I don't like to flag questions, but I really would like to see all the series voided. Do not overreact to a very peripheric and not at all main problem here in Hubdub. There are many others and enough serious deserving real attention than this not so important development.
posted 1 year ago
  11 phules
oops - silly me - sorry for the dumb question - too much chaos - not enough sleep - must have missed those details
posted 1 year ago
  12 pulloverthatasstoophat
Oct. 27!
posted 28 weeks ago
  13 clevercog
@jenniandboys: The butler did it with the candlestick. Oh, sorry. Wrong book.
posted 5 weeks ago

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