How successfully will the HD community pick the winners of games of NHL playoffs Round 2?
The final AvgSuccess was -1 (Total Success was -38 in 27 games -- rounds to -1)
See Comment #17 for final table of results, http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12380369/site/21683474/page/2/ (Conference Semifinals section) for game results. The 27 individual Hubdub game questions have their links in the comments section of this question in the daily update postings.
Background:>
When the result becomes known, we calculate the Success of the forecast as equal to the Sureness if correct, and equal to -1*Sureness if wrong. The Sureness runs from 0 to 100, so the Success will be between -100 and 100.
Round 2 of the Stanley Cup Playoff has 4 match-ups (series) which each run between 4 and 7 games (16-28 games in all).
This question asks about the average Success over all these games (AvgSuccess) of questions of the form: http://www.hubdub.com/m40655/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Vancouver_Canucks__Chicago_Blackhawks__Who_will_win_Game_3 (by sdchargers). The average will be rounded to integer form (1.50 becomes 2, while -13.50 becomes -14).
See Comment #1 for Table showing previous results. The first 4 columns cover the relevant amounts for the question. The 5th and 6th refer to how many forecasts were correct. Even with a % Correct over 70%, the AvgSuccess is only 10. (Games without questions were ignored, but it's likely all future games will be covered.) At a glance, it seems that AvgSuccess will be around 0 when the % Correct is around 50%. But it's affected by how right or wrong the forecasts were.
Initial odds attempt to balance the tendency for us to get smarter about the results as the series progress with the fact that we are not predicting so well in Round 2 so far. Suspends after all teams have played 4 games (at least 3 series will still be undecided).
Settlement details:As reported by infernalmachine who will maintain a daily update of game/question results in the comments section. Questions will either be by sdchargers or equivalent to his, and will be linked to in the comments with the results.
| AvgSuccess greater than 12 |
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| AvgSuccess between 7 and 12 (incl) |
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| AvgSuccess between 1 and 6 |
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| AvgSuccess between -5 and 0 |
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| AvgSuccess between -11 and -6 |
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| AvgSuccess less than -11 |
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- Predictions: 36 |
Comments: 17
Suspend date: Sat 9th May 6:30pm PST
Settlement date: Sun 17th May 11:44am PST
Prediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Sat 9th May 6:30pm PST have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
Initial likelihoods: AvgSuccess greater than 12: 10%, AvgSuccess between 7 and 12 (incl): 21%, AvgSuccess between 1 and 6 : 38%, AvgSuccess between -5 and 0 : 20%, AvgSuccess between -11 and -6: 8%, AvgSuccess less than -11: 3%
Action history:
The final AvgSuccess was -1 (Total Success was -38 in 27 games -- rounds to -1)
See Comment #17 for final table of results, http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12380369/site/21683474/page/2/ (Conference Semifinals section) for game results. The 27 individual Hubdub game questions have their links in the comments section of this question in the daily update postings.
See Comment #17 for final table of results, http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12380369/site/21683474/page/2/ (Conference Semifinals section) for game results. The 27 individual Hubdub game questions have their links in the comments section of this question in the daily update postings.
Suspend date: Sat 9th May 6:30pm PST
Settlement date: Sun 17th May 11:44am PST
Prediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Sat 9th May 6:30pm PST have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled details
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http://www.hubdub.com/m40095/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Washington_Capitals__Who_will_win_Game_1
http://www.hubdub.com/m40097/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Carolina_Hurricanes__Boston_Bruins__Who_will_win_Game_1
http://www.hubdub.com/m40455/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Carolina_Hurricanes__Boston_Bruins__Who_will_win_Game_2
http://www.hubdub.com/m40098/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Anaheim_Ducks__Detroit_Red_Wings__Who_will_win_Game_1
http://www.hubdub.com/m40454/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Anaheim_Ducks__Detroit_Red_Wings__Who_will_win_Game_2
http://www.hubdub.com/m40099/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Chicago_Blackhawks__Vancouver_Canucks__Who_will_win_Game_1
http://www.hubdub.com/m40409/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Who_will_win_game_2_Chicago_Blackhawks_or_Vancouver_Canucks
AvgSuccess up 1 to -2
http://www.hubdub.com/m40554/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Washington_Capitals__Who_will_win_Game_2
An example might help to explain. For last night's game (Game 2 Was-Pit), the odds that Washington would win in the question in the link in comment 4 were at 54% when the question suspended. [See the last line of the big table in comment 4.]
That's 8 more than Pittsburgh at 46%. So we say that "we" forecast a Washington win with a Sureness of 8. As it turned out, Washington did win. So how successful were "we"? Our Success will be 8, because we were right. (If Pittsburgh had won, our Success would have been -8, because we were wrong in our forcast.)
The question asks what will the average of the <Success values be for all the games played (and forecast at Hubdub via questions) in this round of the playoffs. That's all that's going on with this question.
A simpler question might have been to ask what percentage of games will we predict correctly. But I wanted to also take into account how right or wrong we were. For example, see Game 2 of the Detroit-Anaheim series in Comment 4. We predicted, 80% to 20% that Detroit would win, but we got it wrong. That's a Success score of -60.
Hope this helps.
AvgSuccess stays at -2. The Vancouver-Chicago question ended at 50-50, so zero Success points there. And the Detroit-Anaheim question was 52/48 in favor of Detroit but they lost.
http://www.hubdub.com/m40655/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Vancouver_Canucks__Chicago_Blackhawks__Who_will_win_Game_3
http://www.hubdub.com/m40662/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Detroit_Red_Wings__Anaheim_Ducks__Who_will_win_Game_3
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess stays at -2. Both questions ended at 51%-49%. One was right, the other wrong.
http://www.hubdub.com/m40848/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Washington_Capitals__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Who_will_win_Game_3
http://www.hubdub.com/m40847/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Boston_Bruins__Carolina_Hurricanes__Who_will_win_Game_3
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess creeps to -1. Both questions ended at 52%-48%. One was right, the other wrong.
http://www.hubdub.com/m40950/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Vancouver_Canucks__Chicago_Blackhawks__Who_will_win_Game_4
http://www.hubdub.com/m40951/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Detroit_Red_Wings__Anaheim_Ducks__Who_will_win_Game_4
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess balancing at 0. Success at predicting the Washington-Pittsburgh matchup makes up for the prediction errors in the other three series.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41062/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Washington_Capitals__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Who_will_win_Game_4
http://www.hubdub.com/m41061/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Boston_Bruins__Carolina_Hurricanes__Who_will_win_Game_4
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess balancing at 0. Success at predicting the Washington-Pittsburgh matchup makes up for the prediction errors in the other three series.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41132/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Washington_Capitals__Who_will_win_Game_5
http://www.hubdub.com/m41130/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Chicago_Blackhawks__Vancouver_Canucks__Who_will_win_Game_5
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess meanders back to -1. No forecast on the Detroit-Anaheim game, but the Boston-Carolina series is out of the red, forecast-wise.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41131/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Anaheim_Ducks__Detroit_Red_Wings__Who_will_win_Game_5
http://www.hubdub.com/m41221/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Carolina_Hurricanes__Boston_Bruins__Who_will_win_Game_5
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess back to 0. Very right on Chicago winning. Somewhat wrong on Pittsburgh beating Washington.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41276/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Washington_Capitals__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Who_will_win_Game_6
http://www.hubdub.com/m41275/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Vancouver_Canucks__Chicago_Blackhawks__Who_will_win_Game_6
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess down to -1. Wrong on both games, but not emphatically so. Still, not very encouraging over all. 3 games left: 1 tonight, 2 on Thursday.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41344/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Boston_Bruins__Carolina_Hurricanes__Who_will_win_Game_6
http://www.hubdub.com/m41345/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Detroit_Red_Wings__Anaheim_Ducks__Who_will_win_Game_6
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
AvgSuccess stays at -1. Slightly wrong on the lone game tonight. 2 games left: both on Thursday.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41378/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Pittsburgh_Penguins__Washington_Capitals__Who_will_win_Game_76
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
Final Results: AvgSuccess stays at -1. Very right on the Detroit victory, but even more wrong on the Carolina one. The slightly pessimistic about our forecasting abilities win the day.
http://www.hubdub.com/m41475/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Anaheim_Ducks__Detroit_Red_Wings__Who_will_win_Game_7
http://www.hubdub.com/m41474/Stanley_Cup_Playoffs__Carolina_Hurricanes__Boston_Bruins__Who_will_win_Game_7
http://tsn.ca/nhl/scores/
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