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Will More than 75 US banks fail in 2009?

Background: With 36 banks now having failed, it has become obvious that more than 50 will fail this year. As a result, the previous question on this topic now has a 96% YES vote and has become irrelevant. This new question resets the targets at 75 and 125.

Settlement details:As reported by a major mainstream news source.
Question will suspend Dec. 22nd and will settle as soon as information is available after Jan. 1st, 2010.

Settlement date is fixed. As reported by a major mainstream news source or
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

 
Forecast history %
Under 75
0%
75-125
0%
Over 125
100%
Question suspends in 4 weeks

Suspend date: Thu 24th Dec 11:59pm PST (4 weeks to go)

Initial likelihoods: Under 75: 50%, 75-125: 35%, Over 125: 15%

Action history:

Created Mon 25th May 9:51am PST by rogerkni

Suspend date: Thu 24th Dec 11:59pm PST (4 weeks to go) details

 

Predictions (184)

2 weeks ago
charlesf predicted 75-125 (H$100 at 2%)
3 weeks ago
rogerkni predicted Over 125 (H$2,000 at 89%)
3 weeks ago
rogerkni predicted Over 125 (H$2,000 at 84%)
3 weeks ago
rogerkni predicted Over 125 (H$1,000 at 79%)
3 weeks ago
tuff_sledding[Power User] predicted 75-125 (H$400 at 20%)

Comments (55)

  1 rogerkni
The pace is picking up--5 and 7 banks failed in the last two weeks.
posted 20 weeks ago
  3 rogerkni
Here's a link to an article that projects 125 bank failures this year:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/146973-bank-failures-forecast-to-increase-this-year#comment-574317
posted 19 weeks ago
Total now is up to 55. http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
posted 18 weeks ago
It will now require an average of only one closing per week for the remainder of the year to exceed 75 total. The rate so far is nearly twice that.
posted 17 weeks ago
  9 coolkraft
57
posted 16 weeks ago
With 6 closures in Georgia and 1 in New York on 7/24, the total is up to 64 for the year. At that rate the annual total would be 110.
posted 16 weeks ago
  11 coolkraft
bad news for commercial banks too
posted 16 weeks ago
  12 coolkraft
67
posted 16 weeks ago
  13 rogerkni
69 as of 7/31. Soon "75" will be moot.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=a3KVKk_i5_cM
posted 16 weeks ago
  14 rogerkni
PS: The rate for July is well over 4 per week. The rate will continue to rise, I think. A rate of 5 per week thru the end of the year (22 weeks) would add about 110 more banks and beat the 175 target.
posted 16 weeks ago
  15 bgrigore
The target is 125.
posted 16 weeks ago
  16 bgrigore
The rate so far for the year is 9.8 banks per month. It should rise to 12 per month for the remaining of the year to beat the 125 target. This is very probable to happen but it's not a done deal yet.
However 24 banks in July is impressive.
posted 16 weeks ago
  17 rogerkni
"The target is 125"
Right you are. (And I was the person who posted this question!) I may have to post another question, with 75 removed and 175 added, in a couple of months, if the total passes 100 and it looks like 125 will be a slam-dunk.
posted 16 weeks ago
  18 rogerkni
"1 Month, 24 Bank Failures: Random Event or Wilting Economy?":

http://seekingalpha.com/article/153105-1-month-24-bank-failures-random-event-or-wilting-economy
posted 15 weeks ago
  19 rogerkni
"'Too Big to Fail' Cause of Current Community Bank Failures":

http://seekingalpha.com/article/153147-too-big-to-fail-cause-of-current-community-bank-failures
posted 15 weeks ago
+ 2 today in Florida = 71. Perhaps thing are slowing down a bit now from some of the earlier consolidation.
posted 15 weeks ago
  21 rogerkni
+1 in Oregon = 72. (The FDIC sometimes doesn't announce all of the week's failures at once.)
posted 15 weeks ago
  23 coolkraft
Colonial Bank in many states may be taken over by the FDIC
posted 14 weeks ago
  25 rogerkni
74 (including Colonial Bank, the largest this year)
posted 14 weeks ago
  27 rogerkni
Update for this weekend: now at 77, so the first option (75) in this question is out of the running.
posted 13 weeks ago
  28 buckeyetom
There are 77 failures as of today as rogerkni pointed out. In addition the FDIC just said they have a list of 305 additional banks in trouble, whether they will fail by the end of the year is not yet known.
posted 13 weeks ago
The list of 305 banks was established in the first quarter of this year. Realize most of the 77 closed so far were counted in that original 305 number.
posted 13 weeks ago
  30 rogerkni
I've created a new question on bank failures with higher targets (175 & 225), because it's looking like 125 is in the bank. Here:
http://www.hubdub.com/m50403/Will_more_than_175_US_banks_fail_in_2009

Incidentally, Bloomberg has an article claiming that 200 banks may fail this year, here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTTT9jivRIWE

And Tom Lindmark has an article critiquing the Bloomberg article, here:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/156386-bloomberg-s-sketchy-report-on-potential-bank-failures
posted 13 weeks ago
  31 coolkraft
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/18/768919/-The-FDIC-is-Broke

guess we will print more money
posted 13 weeks ago
No bank closures today... is the FDIC on vacation like Congress?
posted 13 weeks ago
  35 rogerkni
With 2/3 of the year complete, we're a bit more than 2/3 of the way to 125. With the rate of failure rising, it looks like a cinch we'll get there.
posted 12 weeks ago
  36 rogerkni
As of Sept. 4, four more, in IA, MO, and IL (2): total 88.
posted 11 weeks ago
  37 rogerkni
Oops--one more: 89th in AZ
posted 11 weeks ago
  38 pics4d
92 with the 3 this week
posted 9 weeks ago
94 with only 2 this w/e. Pace is slowing down now, as I anticipated. The economy is starting to look better and although the foreclosure rate and unemployment will remain high, it is likely that the weakest players have been weeded out by now. It may be close, but at the current rate, we should fall just short of 125.
posted 8 weeks ago
95 with only one this w/e, only 3 the last 2 w/e combined and down to 11 in Sept. So, we have 3 months to go. This should be interesting.
posted 7 weeks ago
  41 coolkraft
97
posted 7 weeks ago
@ cool: I just counted 3 times on the official website given above, and I keep getting 95. Where do you get 97?
posted 7 weeks ago
  43 coolkraft
3 more banks closed today
posted 6 weeks ago
  44 buckeyetom
I only count 98 as of today. Is that right?
posted 6 weeks ago
  45 bgrigore
98 is correct and the last three have actually been announced on Friday, Oct. 2
posted 6 weeks ago
  46 buckeyetom
Thanks bgrigore.
posted 6 weeks ago
Total remains at 98, it seems they took the w/e off, no failures reported, as of Sunday morning.
posted 5 weeks ago
  48 coolkraft
http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE59B55U20091012

there could be many more
posted 4 weeks ago
Could happen. Or not. Time will tell. In the meantime, only one this past w/e, total is 99
posted 4 weeks ago
  51 buckeyetom
This was #106. Just added this for references purposes to make it easier to keep track of.

First DuPage Bank Westmont IL 35038 October 23, 2009 October 27, 2009
posted 3 weeks ago
  52 buckeyetom
#115

North Houston Bank Houston TX 18776 October 30, 2009 October 30, 2009
posted 2 weeks ago
  53 buckeyetom
#120

United Commercial Bank San Francisco CA 32469 November 6, 2009 November 6, 2009
posted 1 week ago
  54 cici
I don't know what it's like in your neighborhoods while you guys are counting to 125. In mine, I know people just walking away from their home mortgages, and car loans. Just deciding they don't feel like paying for them anymore. I'm talking about employed people. This is scary.

I'm one of the lucky ones, my mortgage is paid (did have to go through 3 mortgages to make it) on my $23,000 house, and I do not have a car loan on my 1993 Chevy Cavalier.
posted 1 week ago
  55 buckeyetom
#123

Pacific Coast National Bank San Clemente CA 57914 November 13, 2009 November 13, 2009
posted 6 days ago

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