How many hurricanes will there be in the Atlantic in June and July?

OK, this one is easy. Since July immediately follows June, there cannot be any hurricane between them. So, we should all put 10K on option 1!!!

\"OK, this one is easy. Since July immediately follows June, there cannot be any hurricane between them.\"\\r
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\\n:) Please do elaborate. Your logic escapes me for some reason.

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\\noppland, obviously you meant \"how many hurricanes will there be in the Atlantic during June and July\"\\r
\\nthere is nothing \"between\" June and July.

Precisely! But as the question reads now, I win with 0.....

\"oppland, obviously you meant \"how many hurricanes will there be in the Atlantic during June and July\"\\r
\\nthere is nothing \"between\" June and July.\"\\r
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\\nYes there is. There is \"time\" in between June and July. However, I will concede that \"between\" is not a definite amount of time. You are correct. I should have used the preposition \"during\" thereby clearing up any confusion. I meant to say during but it\'s too late now.

Just for clarifications sake I looked up the definition on Merriam-Webster\'s Dictionary. Definition 2 a reads: \\r
\\nin the time, space, or interval that separate\\r
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\\nCould this definition not encompass my use of \"during\" in this particular context?

my use of \"between\"\\r
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Not to beat this dead horse to death but I found this after a little searching: \"Already, a record seven tropical storms tracked across the Atlantic between June and July.\" Used in a CNN article Friday, August 26, 2005.\\r
\\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/02/hurricanes/index.html \\r
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\\nIt appears this article is using the same word \"between\" in the same context as I used it. What do you guys think? Just curious.

oppland - after you\'ve been here awhile you\'ll understand why people can be so picky about how a question is worded. i been thinking about trying something like this to see how it goes. who will win dodgers or pirates? the score of the game was dodgers 7..pirates 5. so it should settle as the dodgers. well i say the dodgers didn\'t win the pirates lost so the question was settled wrong. so i win no matter how i wagered. :O)

Hello dieseldog, I understand completely. Hubdub can\'t afford to have its members creating questionably valid questions. Else they\'d be endlessly deciding disputes. For the sake of my future grammar and my own peace of mind I was curious. No offense taken whatsoever. I appreciate this type of discussion and I\'m willing to admit when I am wrong. I\'m just not sure I was in this particular case. I do concede however, that I could have worded my question a lot better and thus avoided any confusion to begin with. No hard feelings.

Yo, oppland, my remark was a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing. It was clear enough what you meant. I did not mean to cause you any heartburn. But you do see my point, don't you? There is no time between the end of June and beginning of July, so, technically, my argument is correct, if a bit picky. Indeed, during June or July would be less ambiguous. However, I do realize that common usage makes "between" include the two ends, so to speak....
In any case, I got a bit sensitized to the issue of ambiguity this morning, because one of the Cat Eds, contended that my market that was worded: "what will......by Friday May 29" meant it had to happen before Friday - according to him/her "by" means "before". Now that's a new one on me. My dictionary says and my common sense and understanding is that "by Friday" means "no later than Friday". Am I crazy or is the Cat Ed?
So, now I spell out the exact time and date of settlement to avoid trouble.

No heartburn :) It really did help me understand the finality of creating a market. And it makes sense. Clear questions make for clear minds. As for your market I would have taken "by Friday 29" to mean midnight Thursday the 28th. I too will try to be very concise and clear with all my markets here on out. I'm bound to make more mistakes but...that's part of learning. Take'r easy tuff

oppland - i wouldn't worry to much about it. it's your second question and its fine by me. i agree questions have to be made so theres no confusion when it comes time to settle them. i try not to be critical when HD has newer members making questions. don't wanna see them get discouraged. lord knows my grammar ain't the best. you would think at times HD only had lawyers as members.

i agree with you and tough that "by" is one of those words that cause heartburn. my memory must be failing me. i thought by march 30 always included the 30th. maybe they made a change in the rules.

heres the rule on by and between.

2.2.10 Creating Questions

The term "by" will be considered to be exclusive of the date referenced. E.g. "Will the satellite hit earth by March 25th?" will be settled as a "Yes" if it hits prior to March 25th, and 'No' if it hits on March 25th or later. Where possible, category editors should edit 'by' to 'before', to avoid ambiguity.
In outcomes involving dates which are intended to be mutually exclusive, it is suggested that 'between' is inclusive of the dates given unless this leads to date overlap in the outcomes. Where possible, category editors should edit to 'on or between' or 'between, exclusive of' to avoid ambiguity.

Sorry for coming so late to the party - this is a good question Oppland.

We do try to state the bleeding obvious where possible though, so I've edited your question title to say 'in June and July'. I've also moved out the suspend date to mid-July, which will make it easier to predict the answer, but will hopefully also be able to generate more predictions and avoid having people's money tied up for two months.

Thanks tisha. Bleeding obvious is good, 'cause for folks like me whose native tongue is not English, taking terms like "between" literally can lead to misunderstandings. In some languages, the word "between" means from the end of one to the beginning of the next and does not include the ends.
It's a bit awkward to have to refer to the rules to interpret common words like "by" and "between". So, the more clear the definition, the better, no room for interpretation or misunderstanding....
But, like I said before, I was pulling opland's leg a bit.

Nice link coolkraft, I've known this for some time but an interesting weather phenominon is the interaction between El Ninos and La Ninas. Apparently when one strenghtens thee other weakens. So that doesn't bode well for the formation of storms in the Atlantic. It could means years of under activity storm-wise in the Atlantic. It will be interesting to see how this hurricane season's projection's from NOAA turn out. If an El Nino is , in fact, taking place in the Pacific we should see fewer hurricanes in the Atlantic basin.

Corrections, phenomenon was spelt incorrectly and there are no commas between "is , in fact, taking place" ;) I just analysed it.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/blog/2009/07/el_nino_arrives_in_time_for_th.html

another article about el nino

Anyone notice the hurricanes in the Pacific Ocean? I think we are going to see above average hurricane activity in the Pacific this year as opposed to the Atlantic because of El Niño‎.

turns out 0 was the right answer anyway....
There is one more day in July, but hurricanes do not form in a day. Absent any sign of even a wave or depression, this one is ready to settle.