Will President Obama be removed from Office because he doesn't have a valid US Birth Certificate?

Exciting qustion...Hmmm...Does this mean taking the oath of office a THIRD TIME?\\r
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\\n...Just after he goes to the nearest bank and gets notarized on his forehead?

He would have to piss the NWO (New World Order) off for them to remove him from office

Jeeze folks - Would BHO actually answer to the people?\\r
\\nHow\'s that HOPE and CHANGE working for you?

He\'s working very well and I coulddn\'t be happier about the best American president we\'ve had in ages. Thanks for asking!

I really don\'t think presenting a valid birth certificate is part of the requirements for President.

Actually it is. To be President a person has to be born on US soil. There are reports that Obama was actually born in Africa. It includes a statement from Obama\'s grandmother that she was present at his birth in Africa. Stories also report that the document his campaign released wasn\'t a real birth certificate but was a fake. I don\'t know who is right but I have seen enough to want an impartial investigation from someone with the power to get to the truth.

I don\'t care where Obama was born (though anyone with a brain cell knows he was born in Hawaii. In any case, he\'s as American as any of us, and more qualified to be president than most of his predecessors.

@Char - how many Presidents have presented a valid birth certificate? I know I\'m being picky, but requiring you be a native born, and producing a birth certificate are 2 different things. While I appreciate your concern about where he was born, I was more concerned that he will not release his school records or his medical records (neither required to be President either). A very secretive man about his personal life.

The whole requirement to be native-born is kind of outdated anyway. Sure it may have been needed at first, when nobody was sure if America's constitution was even going to work, and they wanted to keep radical change from happening too quickly...

But now, it's not like we would be threatened by a non-native president.

@charlesf: Wrong. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States).

So, since his mother is American, Barack automatically is American too. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham).

Knowing this: It actually is completely irrelevant where Barack Obama was born.

And again: What is the motivation behind these allegations? Spread rumors? Making people think that something is wrong, where actually nothing illegal happened? In charlesf case, it obviously succeeded.

IMO As long as there is no evidence proving that Obama either faked the birth certificate or that he is not a "natural born" US citizen, I guess there is nothing wrong with him being POTUS.

Just because this stupid, irrelevant question for private information which is protected by law, without having any legal justification, is ignored and left unanswered makes you doubt?

How many questions about the George W. Bush administration and their actions are left unanswered - does they cause you any doubt?

@kruijs - you are correct, this is irrelevant. However, in your comparisons you are comparing apples to oranges. With one man you are comparing his private information, with the other man the actions of an administration. No relevance.

Let me get this straight- the PRIVATE facts of someone's life beyond the known, required ones ("His mom is American, so no doubts...") are more relevant than the multitude of the past aministrations covered up, unanswered, highly suspicius and probably illegal actions about torture, the whole war's start, Halburton and the war profit they raked in, and tons more?? Oh wait, I hope I am wrong.. You mean the relevance isn't there to worry about a silly birth certificate in light of the overwhelming incompetance of the past rotten apples? Ok then..

@ Ladylara No, no, It's the comparison that's wrong. Private to private, administration to administration. You can certainly compare the acts of the Obama administration to the acts of the Bush administration.Or Obama's handling of personal information to Bush's handling of personal information. You just can't compare Obama's private acts to Bush administration acts.

It actually has a relevance. These respective doubts discredit both the current and the former president. But in the first case the doubts are spread by a smearing campaign and have no base, and in the end are even irrelevant. In case of the former president, I have quite other concerns.

I didn't want to compare the private acts with the acts by the Bush administration. I wanted to compare the circumstances from which the doubts around them arose.

obama wasn't borned in Hawaiii! I knows it! Everyone know it! he not American kid from Hawaii! Him a Muzlim, and borned in Indonesia! No, wait, Africas!!!! His was borned in Africas! Yeah, he was borns in Africa to Saddam Hussein's parents! Or Sadam Husssein himself!!! And he was raised by Al Qaeda! In Afghanistan. And in Iraq! He's a terrorist! He wants to blow up the white haus and American and the Fox News network! That's why he has that name! he was flying a jet on 9/11 but his puppet masterz made his go sdomewhere else at the last minute so he could be president and make us all muzlim!!!! The director of Hawaii's Department of Health is lying to us all! He's a Muzlim too! A terrorizingist!! Mobil, shell, exxon, they all owned by obamas!!!! And the articles showing photos of the certificate are all Photoshopped! And the old birth announciung in the Honolulu Advertiser is a fake!! PHOTOSHOPPED, PEOPLE!!! And there in magazines owned by the New World Order!!! they're are black stealth helicopters buzzing my mobile home as i right this!!! I can see!! Obama is flying one!! obama is a muzlim, and he prays to satan every day while bowing to his his Arab king and making offerings to Baal!!!! In the black stealth helicopter! and he wented to Pakistan 3000 times before he wuz president!!! And why!!!! Where's the prove he didnt go to Pakaistan 300 times!!!? to meet al kayda and Arab kings of the New World Odor! Prove it! The oil companeez have cars that got 5000 miles per gallon but they killed the inventor SO THEY KOOD STILL ALL HIS MUNNY!!!!! obama isn't american! he's not even african!!! or afghanistanian!!! or iraqian!! He's from another planet run by the KNEW WORLDD ORDER!!!!! where's my meds!!!!!???? i need my librium NOW!!!! BLAK STELTH HELIKOPTURZ!!!!!!!!!!!

hehheheh 1% says YES

sqlmn, you have written a masterpiece. I bow in your general direction,

@kruijs:

You are incorrect. Citizenship is determined by the laws in place at the time of birth & when Barack was born his mother was too young to confer US citizenship upon him if he were born out of the country. Further, for him to be adopted in Indonesia, I have read that he very likely had to become a citizen of that country, according to the laws in place at that time.

@notable

I'm no law expert. As far as I am informed, there is no doubt about the citizenship of Obama. And as far as I am informed there is no other reason for the demand of publication of the birth certificate then the ignored demand to do so. And to me, that is just no reason.

@kruijs:

Maybe you could explain this to the lawyers at the United States Justice Foundation http://usjf.net/ - I am sure it would save them a lot of time and effort!

@notable
are you serious? explaining it to lawyers!? no, thanks :-)
Furthermore, trying to explain such to conservative lawyers makes even less sense. That's like explaining George W. Bush that his war on Iraq was wrong.
But I took the time to read their comments (ok, just one of them):

http://usjf.net/archives/720

Their claim: "If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, WHY doesn’t he just make his real birth certificate public? WHY has he spent a reported $800,000.00 in attorney fees to fight efforts to obtain his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The more that he fights these efforts to see it, the more you have to wonder, WHY?"

My answer: He simply does not have to make his birth certificate public.

Conclusion: This author uses the refuse of his demand to back up his demand. And as said in comment #19: This just is no argument to me.

Please show me arguments which makes the birth certificate (or even the "natural born citizen" requirement) questionable other than the refusal of the publication of the "long" certificate. I haven't seen any thus far here.

altho the SCOTUS has never ruled on the meaning behind "natural-born citizen" it would seem to me that it means anyone who was born a citizen as opposed to becoming a naturalized citizen. i'm assuming that obama's mother was a citizen, which would mean he was automatically conferred citizenship in the u.s. the moment he was born no matter where in the world that happened to be. i doubt that the supremes would oust a sitting president by defining "natural-born" to mean only those born within the confines of the u.s. no matter how upset the right is that they couldn't win this election.

just saw notables comment...i didn't realize the mother had to be a certain age..altho i have read that in the case of a child born in another country to a u.s. citizen, that child can hold dual citizenship until the time of his/her 18th birthday at which time said child must choose which country to become a citizen of...after their installation of bush(after which he was proven to have lost both florida and the election) i still think the supremes wouldn't dare oust him

another interesting read:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract-id=1157621

@ randburg LOL
"What Notary will Obama choose to apply the stamp?"
"Will Obama hold a press conference before he is stamped, or after?"..."Will Obama need to take the Oath of Office a fourth time"? It could go on...!

@ sqlman BRAVO!!! lmao!
What enmag said.

White House 'dialogue' site scrubbed of eligibility posts
Many Obama birth certificate queries yanked from 'transparency' debate
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99933
With more than 200 individual threads and thousands of comments on the eligibility issue alone, moderators of the White House website on "open government dialogue" have been working tirelessly to edit the dialogue about Barack Obama's elusive "long-form" birth certificate.

Many of the top-rated threads are from citizens calling on Obama to release his birth certificate. The postings in the "top rated" category have received the most "looks promising" votes from users. New threads on the topic of Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as president are appearing by the minute.

WND observed the "Making Data More Accessible" section for several hours as more suggestions appeared and at least 60 were subsequently deleted on the first page alone - all requests for the president to submit proof of citizenship.

One deleted post echoed many others in asking President Obama to "Prove that you are a U.S. citizen and valid president."

The post asks why Obama doesn't simply release his "real birth certificate and end all of this controversy."
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So World Net Daily--that bastion of journalistic integrity--has convinced a bunch of mindless Right-bots to flood the White House website with repetitive, redundant, misspelled, poorly-constructed pieces of idiocy, and now they're pointing fingers while screaming "Conspiracy!!!"

Wow. What are the odds? :-)

@sqlman:

Are you saying that it didn't happen then?

Private life - smivet life! The President of THE United States of America had better be an honest and forthcoming individual or we are all lost!

I'm hoping Obama will be in office forever. In any case, there will never be another Republican president again so maybe 'Bama's wife is the next in line.

constable - HALLELUJAH

Jeez, deez.
Not even Fox is running with this one.
"Must be pining for the fiords..."

I'm making a LOT more money in my tinfoil hat manufacturing business than I am making on Hubdub.

Mr. Obama, show us your birth certificate!
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102330
Posted: June 27, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

© 2009

I fly a lot. It's gotten to be such a hassle that I'm cutting down on my air travel, and even turning down a number of engagements because I just don't want to go through the ordeal at the airports.

What ordeal? If you ask that question, you must not have flown anywhere since 9/11. I'm talking about the security gauntlet every passenger has to go through!

If you have flown anywhere, you've had to get in the lines. Take off every bit of metal bigger than a dime, your jacket, hat and shoes, perhaps your belt … and, if you have a computer, put it in a separate tray, hoping for a reunion after you pass your body through a powerful scanner. If you have a metal knee or hip replacement or a pacemaker, you'll probably have to go through a separate line and submit to a "wand scan" and even a hands-on "pat down." It can be quite humiliating, and the process can even cause you to miss your plane, after all that.

If you've checked into a hotel lately, you know you always have to produce your driver's license or valid photo identification. Same if you want to rent a car. When you shop at Costco, for Pete's sake, you have to prove you're who you are and that you're a credentialed Costco shopper with a valid credit card (which they'll verify on the spot) just to get in the door.

When you get gas - if you can still afford it to - and you want to use your credit card, you pass it into a slot checker, and still have to punch in your zip code. Right? In today's world, you have to be ready to show valid, verifiable identification for almost anything you want to buy or do.

What about applying for the most powerful, consequential, dangerous office in the world - THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES?

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I suppose one can't blame the National Enquirer-esque "World Net Daily" for continuing to flail away on this particular dead horse; after all, they need ratings help, and continually beating the "Obama isn't American!!!" drum has doubtless worked well for them, at least among a certain devout demographic. Still, one can practically sense the increasing desperation in their weak and feeble attempts to stir up controversy where none exists as a way of keeping themselves in the news; it's like watching an old and drug-addled rock 'n roll singer trying to maintain some sense of hipness and relevance in a world that's passed him by by constantly reminding folks of the small handful of hits he had three decades earlier. Sad, really. Don't you think?

Repeat after me: Barack Obama is President of the United States. Nothing is going to change that. Get used to it, get over it, and get on with it. :-)

BORN IN THE USA? Judge: Eligibility dispute is 'serious'
Says case will be expedited when representation lined up
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102156

A judge hearing one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has taken the unusual step of describing the dispute as a serious constitutional issue and further has begun adding letters of comment from the public to the court record.

Word of the action by U.S. Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider in Camden, N.J., comes from attorney Mario Apuzzo, who is handling the Kerchner vs. Obama case.

Apuzzo filed his lawsuit in January on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case focuses on the alleged failure in Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

The Constitution provides, the lawsuit said, "If the president-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the vice president elect shall act as president until a president shall have qualified."

"There existed significant public doubt and grievances from plaintiffs and other concerned Americans regarding Obama's eligibility to be president and defendants had the sworn duty to protect and preserve the Constitution and specifically under the 20th Amendment, Section 3, a Constitutional obligation to confirm whether Obama, once the electors elected him, was qualified," the case explained.

"Congress is the elected representative of the American people and the people speak and act through them," the lawsuit said.

The defendants "violated" the 20th Amendment by failing to assure that Obama meets the eligibility requirements," the lawsuit said.

Apuzzo told WND that while the judge recently granted the government extra time to line up defense counsel for the named defendants, his ruling described the issue as a serious constitutional question.

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PALIN BAGS A BIGFOOT
Prior to announcing her candidacy for the Vice Presidency, Sarah Palin shot a Bigfoot from a helicopter
http://weeklyworldnews.com/celebs/2605/palin-bags-a-bigfoot/

WASILLA, AK - Records and eyewitnesses have come to light that prior to announcing her candidacy for the Vice Presidency; Sarah Palin shot a Bigfoot from a helicopter.

A government helicopter was seen flying low over the Chugach National Park with what witnesses described as “a sexy librarian shooting out the side.” Employees at a local bait shop report seeing a similar woman only hours before carrying an infant in a camouflage Baby Bjorn.

The Bigfoot, or Sasquatch as it is known in scientific circles, was found dead on the outskirts of the park, just south of Wasilla, Alaska. Preliminary forensics reports confirm that an adult male Sasquatch was shot in the face with Palin’s trademark 5mm M4 Carbine Assault Rifle.

Environmental groups are in an uproar at the hunting death of a rare and notoriously reclusive species. Efforts to have the Sasquatch placed on the endangered species list have met with repeated opposition from state legislature, since protecting the ‘Missing Link’ could be seen as validating evolution.

Conservatives have immediately rallied to their party’s new star, citing that gun ownership and hunting are indelible parts of American culture. Indeed this point is hard to argue, as John Adams was notorious for having captured what he called a “Skunk Ape” and killing it with his bare hands on the White House lawn in front of a paying audience.

[More including photo at the link...]

Dr Orly Taitz Esq. presents probable cause charges to a GA Grand Jury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XgmAP-h5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1d6_Tm7mQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DED1RrlSBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH8Hn1uQB7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex6h1OAWfwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ZEcV_-aSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzPxXndS35Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzk8EY1fbL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sZrye-8wWg

Oh, no! 'Dr' Orly Taitz! A barely-coherent non-ABA dentist/real-estate agent with a correspondence-school legal degree who--due to numerous violations of California's attorney disciplinary rules--is about to be disbarred in that state. Oh, the tinfoil-hat-wearing, conspiracy-loving Birthers have really picked some winners to represent their side!

Quoth journalist Chip Berlet: "For some people, when their side loses an election, the only explanation that makes sense to them--that they can cope with--is that sinister, bad, evil people arranged some kind of fraud." C'mon, guys...

"For some people, when their side loses an election, the only explanation that makes sense to them--that they can cope with--is that sinister, bad, evil people arranged some kind of fraud."

What was that Algore/Florida thing?

@ kruijs #10 Sorry for the delay but I just noticed your comment.

I am not wrong as you state and this comes from your own source.

I read parts of the source that you cited(see below) and learned a few things. First, there are 2 ways to interpret "natural born Citizen". I choose to accept the first one and it seems from your comment that you prefer the second one. Second, since no court has ruled on which one they would use to decide presidential qualification cases, you can not use this source to to say that I am wrong. I do hope that 1 of these cases does make it to the Supreme Court, but until that time we can both argue that we are right but neither can prove that the other is wrong.

I do agree with you that Obama is an American citizen. My only disagreement is over the interpretation of "natural born".

"The term "natural born Citizen" has never been defined by the Courts in the course of a Presidential qualification challenge. It is believed by some that this provision means that only persons born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizens are “natural born Citizens” of the nation and eligible to become President. There are others who believe that anyone who acquires citizenship by any means other than naturalization is a "natural born Citizen" and eligible for the Presidency."

@charlesf,
yes, I see you point. maybe my "wrong" was too harsh.
Funny, how people can doubt something which isn't defined clearly in the first place, isn't it?

@Erik: Yeah, they're the same. One was a partisan-driven, hotly-disputed, earth-changing controversy played out on national TV. The other is a conspiracy theory in which the major players are a non-accredited tabloid-esque website; a non-ABA doctor/lawyer/dentist/real estate agent who posts rambling, incoherent, and little-seen rants on YouTube; and droves of the same people who believe Area 51 is hiding alien spacecraft, the U.S. Government puts drugs in the water supply to keep the population sheep-like, and the Trilateral Commission pretty much runs the whole show.

I'd say the only comparison between the two cases would be this: trying to get Obama booted from office by constantly harping on the 'invalidity' of his proven-valid birth status is every bit as futile as some guy bringing a shoebox full of hanging and dimpled chads to the Florida Supreme Court next month and asking that Bush's eight-year term be thrown out.

Pat Boone:Mr. Obama, Show Us Your Birth Certificate
http://www.newsmax.com/boone/Obama_president_Kenya/2009/06/29/229976.html
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Why is this so important?

Well, of course, there’s the matter of the law, and the Constitution. Even though he’s almost finished serving two terms as governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger is prohibited for from running for president because he was born in Austria. There’s just no arguing with that “natural born citizen” requirement; unless the Constitution is amended, no one can get around it. Is obeying the law important — even for our president?

And consider. If, by the end of his first term, Barack Obama were proven to have been an illegitimate president, history might just hold him accountable for:

# Dismantling America’s free markets

# Taxing the higher-earning middle class into despondency

# Spending and taxing the nation into bankruptcy

# Imposing socialistic, government-run health care

# Granting amnesty to multiplied millions of illegal aliens

# Seriously weakening our military and encouraging our enemies

# Enacting crippling and fraudulent “global warming” laws

# Promoting abortion and same-sex “marriage” into permanent

legitimacy

# Throttling religious speech with phony “hate crimes” legislation

And he wasn’t even legally entitled to be president at all.

Yes, it is important, crucially and everlastingly important. America’s very future depends on the defense of, and obedience to, our basic constitutional laws.
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wouldn't history (seen from the right wing of life) "might just hold him accountable for" all those political changes either way?

so, what's the deal with that? who cares?

and further more: it's the disagreement with the politics you pronounce here. but this change of politics, which the people actually wanted, is widely appreciated.

kru - but this change of politics, which the people actually wanted, is widely appreciated. - do you research US politics before commenting on it? theres still no bipartisanship in wash DC. while obama hovers around 60% in his approval rating, ratings for his soultions are dropping like a rock.

"Americans have two different assessments of President Obama. One, personal. The other, policy," CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/27/poll.obama.policies/index.html

President Obama remains popular with Americans but three new polls reveal deep misgivings about major policy positions, a sign the new President's honeymoon may be coming to an end.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/06/18/2009-06-18_president_obamas_still_popular_but_his_policies_are_not.html

okay, and what about the rest I said?

history holds all POTUS (right or left wingers) "accountable" for their achievements or lack of. i have no problem with that. the left will never credit bush for bringing democracy to iraq. i'm NOT saying its a done deal..still a long way to go. 10 years from now IF iraq is a thriving democracy will some on the left still be saying we lost the war? i would say yes!

I can't speak for "the left" but, yes, I credit Bush for bringing democracy to Iraq. Without this intervention it would probably have taken ages to get Saddam away. I didn't say Bush (or the US) had lost the war. In fact, the "war" (thus the military invasion) was quite impressive. Just what the US wanted to demonstrate.

But I think that bringing democracy to Iraq has not been his personal primary goal. And the concepts of what to do after the military invasion were insufficiently thought-out.

It's gonna take a lot for Obama to grab the title of "worst. president. ever" from the title holder.

i for one can't say who the worst president ever was. imo they all have failures and success. i think its pretty clear i'm a rightwinger, so i would be biased in my opinon. i nominate dragonfang for worst rightwinger. his lack of attendance at the meetings has caused us to seriously give him to the leftwingers. :O)

Jimmy Carter, our best ex-president

so far...........;

@dieseldog
what!?

;-)

sqlman @ 15

I had no idea that Obama was a muslim terrorist. However, i had never really considered his middle name before reading your post. It appears clear now that Mr Obama is indeed a muslim, and while it does not necessarily follow that he must be a terrorist also, the likelihood of him not being a terrorist, is, in the circumstances, so small as to be discounted entirely.

With that now established, analysis of Obama's failure to reveal where he was really born falls into place like a well oiled guillotine. If I was a muslim terroist I certainly wouldnt tell people about my past.

to this question, in dieseldogs words:
"yawn..more flame throwing and biased wrote questions with no facts to back them up. jealously causes some folks to do strange things. :O)"

Wanna be born in Kenya just like Orly Taitz says Obama was? Go here: http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/ and make your own! (Oh, and here's Orly's: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/kenyacert.jpg) ;-)

LOL sqlman like the kenyan birth certificate site

Official Obama story continues to unravel
Girlfriend places mother in Seattle in August 1961
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107889
WND has found new evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama's mother, was in Seattle in August 1961, within days of her son's birth, contrary to the accepted narrative.

In a video that has been removed from the Internet since the 2008 presidential campaign, Susan Blake, a high school friend of Obama's mother, gave an interview in which she discussed seeing Dunham shortly after Barack Obama Jr.'s Aug. 4, 1961, birth.

Blake explains in the video that Dunham visited her in Seattle in a "late August afternoon" when Barack Obama Jr. was only "a few weeks old."

Blake tells how she showed Dunham, an evidently inexperienced mother, how to change the baby's diaper.

The Blake video presents additional evidence that conflicts with the birth story presented by Barack Obama in his autobiography "Dreams from My Father."

In the book, Obama quotes his mother indicating Barack Obama Sr. decided to abandon them in Hawaii because Harvard University did not provide sufficient funds for him to take his family. Obama's father began studies in Cambridge, Mass., in September 1962.
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Oh, no! Baby Barack and his mommy may have been in Seattle when Barack was just a few weeks old! That does it! They've cracked the case! He was in an American city, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not an American citizen! Oh, wait: I was in an American city when I was a few weeks old! No!!! That means I must not be American either!!!

Well, there go my own presidential aspirations... ;-)

What about the fact that Obama's mother's name was "Stanley". Can we verify that Obama's mother was indeed female? That's certainly not "Natural born"!?!?

Another ruling with another caution on frivolity: 'Land also put attorney Orly Taitz, who represents Capt. Connie Rhodes and is a leader in the national "birther" movement, on notice by stating that she could face sanctions if she ever files a similar "frivolous" lawsuit in his court.' http://tinyurl.com/qzdezm
I'm liking these Judges..

"(notablenotices|dieseldog|drzinternet|chatarra|fingers_of_fury|blacksoapman|any other right wing wnd parrot) has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States"

Land also put attorney Orly Taitz, who represents Capt. Connie Rhodes and is a leader in the national “birther” movement, on notice by stating that she could face sanctions if she ever again files in his court a similar “frivolous” lawsuit — a document that at one point the judge states that a middle school student could find irony in.

“Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, plaintiff unashamedly alleges that defendant has the burden to prove his ‘natural born’ status,” Land states. “Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly ‘protect and preserve’ those very principles.

“Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so,” Land says.

Is this the most commented on Question in Hubdub history?

OK, Birthers. Put your money where your mouth is, and start pouring your H$ into the "Yes" outcome. I dare ya.

@carnacthemagnificent

You misunderstand this question. First Mr Obama would have to release his birth certificate. Secondly it would have to be officially determined to be invalid. Thirdly, he would have to be removed from office for that reason in order for this question to settle as "yes".

Personally, I think the 2% odds are rather high...

I don't think I misunderstood the question.

If the truth is as Birthers believe it is, and one believes in the strength of the Constitution, and understands that, in general, a critical mass of Americans (and people in general) eventually discovers and gets behind the truth, then this premise will have legs and Obama will be removed.

Conspiracy theory psychology is an interesting phenomenon.

I think 1% (or lower) is a valid percentage for the "Yes" outcome.

If you're in the camp that puts stake in the claims that Obama is an alien, then you would see the 2% percentage as a good-priced bet.

@66 I don't think you''d risk your h$ (I gather we switch to euros come January, if the Irish vote for the Lisbon treaty) even if the question was split up - what odds that Obama will be found to have been born abroad, what odds that he will be removed from office? And of course, what odds that a marxist muslim manchurian conspiracy has been responsible for his birth, life, and rise to power?

The only reason this is not at 99.6+ on no is the poor rate of Hubdub return for such a long term bet.

However, it has been revealed to me that in fact Barrio is a Marxist - his father is actually Groucho, and his mother Groucho's maid at the time, a Mrs. Betty Soetero; Stanley Ann adopted him in Seattle (notice how there are no pictures of her, pregnant!) but he was born in Bolivia, where it turns out the doctor at his birth was none other than Che Guevara....

But now that he has sold out Poland to the Soviets, I mean Russkis, and left the world vulnerable to an Iranian strike on Fort Knox, he should have plenty of time to carry out his primary mission, to um pleasure every married white woman in the country... (the Electra light complex, as the Freudians would call it),..

Muhahahaha, the EVIILL scheme is falling into place just as bookie has explained it.

...and he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling Hubdubbers! (google "Scooby Doo" for reference)

bookie, carna, lol :-)

I am a "Whyster" instead of a Birther - I want to know why so many documents are being kept out of public view. Don't you?

The hearing on October 05 whether court will allow discovery to open is very important. If discovery is opened then all of the records will become fair game including the vault birth records, college records, passport records, etc. An expert in this area of the law could then review the records and render an opinion if Obama meets the test of a natural born citizen.

Why bother when we aready know the truth and are happy he's doing a good job? Geesh- admit defeat and get on with reality.

this issue is so boring

Much has been written supporting both sides of the argument, which is fascinating in itself, but why doesn’t Obama simply put this topic to rest once and for all? It would be very easy if he was so inclined, but for some reason he has decided to go with Saul Alinsky’s tactic to drag out the charge, humiliate the attackers, accuse them of being ridiculous, and hope the issue dies of its own accord.

@75 'Tactic' #5 - Fine them for wasting the court's time & resources.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/orly-taitz-slapped-with-2_n_318546.html

honestly dont u think they should do this before he actually gets elected?? i mean really if he made it in there without them even looking into this before hand maybe they should just let him be president.....shit im glad we didnt hand america over on a silver platter to a terrorist or something...so much for enforcing our own laws huh

@ gmgbubbad I'm pretty sure that they did do all that before he was elected. AFAIC, America was handed over to a terrorist in 2000, & ex-President Cheney is still flapping his gums out there.

Anyhoo, more rejection for the uh, movement (is a good word for this):

"In his dismissal - which is, despite the legalese, a pretty entertaining read - Judge David O. Carter writes that removal of a sitting president for any reason "is within the province of Congress, not the courts."

"Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction," he writes.

"Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic," continues Carter. "Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism."
Carter says at another point that "the hearings have been interesting to say the least."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5452727.shtml