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Will any Black Fraternity induct George W. Bush to be an honorary member ?

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Background: NEW ORLEANS -- A historically black fraternity has voted to induct former President Bill Clinton as an honorary member.

Phi Beta Sigma President Paul Griffin Jr. said Friday that Clinton is the first U.S. president to be inducted into a historically black fraternity.

The fraternity voted Tuesday for Clinton's induction at its 95th Anniversary Conclave in New Orleans, La.

Stevie Wonder, Al Roker, the Rev. Al Sharpton and jazz musician Ramsey Lewis are also honorary members of Phi Beta Sigma.

The fraternity was founded in 1914 at Howard University in Washington, D.C. It has more than 150,000 alumni and college members in about 500 chapters throughout the U.S., Caribbean, Africa and Asia.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/11/black-fraternity-inducts-clinton-honorary-member/

Settlement details:As reported by a major mainstream news source.

 
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Yes
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No
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Settled as No on Mon 16th Nov 1:47pm PST

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Created Sun 12th Jul 4:30am PST by blacksoapman
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Settlement requested Mon 16th Nov 1:37pm PST by shackleford: Hi, no news over the weekend, so please can we settle as "no"?
Thanks, Shak.
Settled as 'No' Mon 16th Nov 1:47pm PST by destry[Admin]

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America's first Muslim president?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/09/americas-first-muslim-president/
Obama aligns with the policies of Shariah-adherents

During his White House years, William Jefferson Clinton -- someone Judge Sonia Sotomayor might call a "white male" -- was dubbed "America's first black president" by a black admirer. Applying the standard of identity politics and pandering to a special interest that earned Mr. Clinton that distinction, Barack Hussein Obama would have to be considered America's first Muslim president.

This is not to say, necessarily, that Mr. Obama actually is a Muslim any more than Mr. Clinton actually is black. After his five months in office, and most especially after his just-concluded visit to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, however, a stunning conclusion seems increasingly plausible: The man now happy to have his Islamic-rooted middle name featured prominently has engaged in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain over Czechoslovakia at Munich.

What little we know about Mr. Obama's youth certainly suggests that he not only had a Kenyan father who was Muslim, but spent his early, formative years as one in Indonesia. As the president likes to say, "much has been made" -- in this case by him and his campaign handlers -- of the fact that he became a Christian as an adult in Chicago, under the now-notorious Pastor Jeremiah A. Wright.

With Mr. Obama's unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls "the Muslim world" (hereafter known as "the Speech"), there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself. Consider the following indicators:

• Mr. Obama referred four times in his speech to "the Holy Koran." Non-Muslims -- even pandering ones -- generally don't use that Islamic formulation.

• Mr. Obama established his firsthand knowledge of Islam (albeit without mentioning his reported upbringing in the faith) with the statement, "I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed." Again, "revealed" is a depiction Muslims use to reflect their conviction that the Koran is the word of God, as dictated to Muhammad.

• Then the president made a statement no believing Christian -- certainly not one versed, as he professes to be, in the ways of Islam -- would ever make. In the context of what he euphemistically called the "situation between Israelis, Palestinians and Arabs," Mr. Obama said he looked forward to the day ". . . when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) joined in prayer."

Now, the term "peace be upon them" is invoked by Muslims as a way of blessing deceased holy men. According to Islam, that is what all three were - dead prophets. Of course, for Christians, Jesus is the living and immortal Son of God.
[More at the link...]
posted 11 weeks ago
  2 kruijs[Power User]
What? Jesus is still alive?
posted 11 weeks ago
Yes - like it says Openbaring 1:17-18

en Hij leide Zijn rechterhand op mij, zeggende tot mij: Vrees niet; Ik ben de Eerste en de Laatste; En Die leef, en Ik ben dood geweest; en zie, Ik ben levend in alle eeuwigheid. Amen. En Ik heb de sleutels der hel en des doods.
posted 11 weeks ago
  4 kruijs[Power User]
So, where can I find him?
posted 11 weeks ago
Seek and ye shall find
posted 11 weeks ago
  6 kruijs[Power User]
So, where should I seek?
posted 11 weeks ago
  7 buckojo
Dont forget to call Obama America's first communist president either...
posted 11 weeks ago
  8 buckojo
"Mr. Obama said he looked forward to the day ". . . when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) joined in prayer."

Goodness how awful.
posted 11 weeks ago
@kruijs:

If you are interested in those kinds of questions, I would recommend reading books like "More than a carpenter" by Josh McDowell, and "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel
posted 10 weeks ago
  10 kruijs[Power User]
@notablenotices, other people did before:

Unfortunately, whether or not there is any value in More Than a Carpenter is eclipsed by the fact that the book is riddled with statements of questionable validity. The only redeeming feature that the Fool found in the book was McDowell's account on the last four pages of his own psychological needs and the changes that he says took place in his restlessness, his temper, and his anger at his father, when he became a Christian at 8:30 P.M. on December 19, 1959.

McDowell presents C.S. Lewis' naive trilemma early in his book. In McDowell's words, Jesus "is either a liar, a lunatic, or Lord." No other options are allowed and no awareness of biblical scholarship regarding the historicity of Jesus or the development of the canon is evidenced. Scholars are quoted--or misquoted--to prove a point. The Bible itself is used more for prooftexting than to encourage an understanding of the complexity of its teachings.

A similar problem exists with McDowell's use of John A.T. Robinson's Redating the New Testament, which McDowell cites to bolster his need for an early dating of the New Testament. McDowell's statement of Robinson's thesis about early dating is not faithful to the book's conclusion, but just a small part of it that suits McDowell's purpose.

What of McDowell's use of the Bible itself? He makes much of "internal evidence" to confirm the Bible's trustoworthiness, but does not deal with even simple problems of the New Testament's lack of accuracy.

The Fool does not think that one should be unduly criticized for the company that one keeps, or even have one's academic credentials dismissed because degrees were obtained from an institution of questionable caliber, but McDowell's book cover notes that he has a M.Div. from Talbot Seminary. The Talbot Theological Seminary Catalog says that "All members of the Board of Trustees and all teachers annually reaffirm their commitment to the unabridged form of the Statement of Doctrine." Since in the "Statement of Doctrine" the Bible is claimed to be "without error or defect of any kind," the Fool does not see how this would encourage a student such as Josh McDowell to be openminded and objective about it.

McDowell seems to be living still in the religious world of the 19th Century, with its chairs of doctrinal affirmations. The Fool therefore feels that he must look elsewhere for any possible truth about this man that McDowell says is "More Than a Carpenter."

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/gaunilo2/more.html
posted 10 weeks ago
Huh? ExSqueeze Me? What does this "Is Obama a Muslim?" crap have to do with whether or not the former asshole-in-chief will be inducted as an honorary member of a black fraternity? Has this listing been screwed up somehow so that the comments from some other question have been mistakenly entered under this question?

Where's the humor we usually see with questions like this? I mean, really folks... GeeDubya isn't even an honorary member of the human race!
posted 4 weeks ago

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