Will Clinton & Obama be seen in a classic, holding hands, lifted arms pose before July 1?

Wow good question. I have no clue how to wager. Part of me is thinking yes, but then part of me wonders when they will be together to make that pose.

Fascinating question...either outcome is completely possible...?!

when pigs fly

FANTASTIC question!

I think Clinton (Hillary) will support Obama like Clinton (Bill) supported Gore.

Might we see such a moment when they meet on June 26?

hoping....not cashing in my $1000 bet they will

CHICAGO (AP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign announced Friday that he will campaign with former rival Hillary Rodham Clinton next week, a step toward unifying a fractured Democratic Party after a bruising primary fight.

Obama's campaign said in a brief e-mail that said the two senators and former opponents will campaign together for the first time on Friday, June 27, and more details would be forthcoming.

This could end up being my first market to generate $100K in HD wagering!

CHICAGO, IL— Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama announced today that they will hold a “Unite for Change” Rally this Friday in Unity, New Hampshire. Both candidates received exactly 107 votes in the western New Hampshire town in the primary.

Reuters today photo with Clinton and Obama disembarking from plane with hands held high
http://www.reuters.com/news/politics

YES! YES! YES!

C'mon Senators...give us a little photo op, c'mon, your hands are both up, just bring them together...

@coolkraft -- you need to paste that same URL into the "Request Settlement" link in order to send it to the category editor.
(I did it for you -- but to have timely settlements, posting in the Settlement Link in "the way to go" -- rather than in the comments.)

@newswrangler...ok...sry

was not sure it met all the requirements

@ coolkraft

I wasn't either -- and I said as much...
You can click on the "Info" tab to see what I wrote in the settlement request.
It's up to the Category Editor to decide -- but users need to submit the settlement requests in order for a decision to be made -- one way or the other.

As it turns out ... it didn't meet all the requirements! ;-)

This market has been re-opened.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton

watched them on tv...had no idea how humorous she can be

btw, this is just an example of the type of pose we're looking for (as I understand it): http://www.newmediamusings.com/blog/images/kerry-edwards.jpg

I watched it too.. they certainly appeared to be pretty comfortable together. Seems someone could have brought her a chair though. Kind of short sighted on the part of the organizers.

They say the chair was for him to sit in while she spoke, so he didn't tower over her while she spoke. It was a way to put the focus on her while she spoke and then she stood while he spoke as a show of unity. That is what I read.

I cashed in my positions because I felt that the arm around each other and other arm raised pose they took was the most they were going to do. I know that there will be debate on whether that qualifies for settlement, so I wanted to not have any money on question in case my opinion was asked for in an unbiased manner.

Settlement details: As reported by a major mainstream news source. The market will be settled as a yes if both Clinton and Obama are on the same stage clasping hands and waving them, or both on stage with all four arms waving. that cleary happen..it was all over the news. guess we need a link to a video? the link jenni posted is only one of the possible solutions according to settlement details.

go to right on click on Clinton supporter backs McCain when that opens scroll down to "democratic unity" and that video clearly meets the settlement details. http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4408,00.html


easiar to go here and go to the right on choose "democratic unity" http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?CMP=KNC-YahooPI

if this settles as yes according to links i posted then all cash outs afterwards should not count..correct? *8:45 pm EST. have a nice day.

@dd - I watched the whole thing live and I didn't see anything.. If you can say where in the video you think it happens (like at 5:35 into a particular video) that will help quite a bit with settlement.

@jenni..with in the first couple minutes their both on stage clapping togeather. 2:26 to 2:19. 56 to 42 is snother spot. i guess ryan shall decide. i'm guessing youtube or another site will have the full appearence soon. imho this settles as yes. have a nice day.

i'm guessing destry is on the fence (don't wanna speak for him) he cashed out to give unbiased feedback. i ain't gonna fight or cause a spitzer. whatever ryan decides is what will be the answer. have a nice day.

OK, I just watched it again and I just don't see it. But I'll suspend it and give Ryan a chance to weigh in here. Maybe I'm just missing something.

(I cashed out earlier too - I don't want anyone to think I have selective blindness about this 'pose')

at 83% to 17% maybe a suspend till ryan views the video?

yeah, I agree - I watched the whole thing and didn't see it either...

I think the closest thing to this classic pose, happened after he was done speaking and they each put one arm around the other and waved with their free hand. That was as much as I think you are going to get. The link jenni showed earlier with Edwards and Kerry, was a traditional pose that is struck when there is more than just the two of them. If you notice Kerry and Edwards were both holding hands with someone else. I think with a man and woman, with the height difference the most anyone could expect is the arms around each other and other arm waving. While I don't know if that will cause Ryan to settle. I cashed out at a loss so I wouldn't be biased.

I hope you're right, I have H$ on YES, but I didn't see it either.

@dieseldog - Maybe a screen shot of the moment, uploaded as your avatar... LOL... that would crack me up to see Obama and Clinton on your avatar 8^]

Hubdub Chant/Riot: SCREEN SHOT SCREEN SHOT CAPTURE A SCREEN SHOT

I'll be watching dieseldog's avatar :-D

my point is you don't need the classic shot in jenni's link to settle according to settlement details. it's on of the criteria, but not the only one.

@fof..i'll work on the screen shot for ya.

*one

I think that something like either slide 72 or 101 here is what dieseldog is referring to:

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Barack-Obama-Democratic-presidential-candidate-US-PRESIDENTIAL-ELECTION-CAMPAIGN-Senator-Barack-Obama/ss/events/pl/020807obama/im:/080627/ids_photos_ts/r80832907.jpg/

While I have quite a bit of H$ on yes, I had also interpreted this question as more of a victory clasping of the hands (similar to what boxers often do after a fight). Of course I'm not going to complain if another interpretation meets the criteria to settle. :)

@fof..pic is on profile. theres serval good pics on fox news that show them in differnt poses, but ryan said pics don't settle this.

i could screen capture one from the video, but it won't be moving...well i could animate it to move. so if i animate the pic mrperfkt posted would that settle?

Not sure how this would settle without a pic (in response to comment 39). Does it have to show up in a news story - "today, Obama and Clinton stopped to pose for a classic, holding hands, lifted arms pose?"

Well, in all fairness, it's only the 27th....

@theonecalledmichael - I was thinking the same thing, although I am not sure how much more campaigning will happen over the weekend.

1:37 to 1:40 another reason to settle as yes.

@fof...ok new pic on profile just for you..a double. if i didn't think you was a ok guy i wouldn't have done that. well and i want a cabinet postion in you office when your prez. goodluck betters.

@tocm..i stated in my settlement request they hole thing will prolly come out on youtube. imho the video posted meets one or more of the settlement details. off to make some bets. have a nice day all.

I seem to have missed the holding hands part. I interpreted this question to require a pose like a winning boxer/referee pose.

@diesel,
I agree, I just think that this is suspended pending a settlement of yes....if the judgement is for no, we need to re-open until suspension date....we cannot settle as no until the first... but i think the general spirit of the question has been fulfilled, as well....

in context: this question was posed over a month ago, reading it 5 weeks ago and last week are two different sets of assumptions.... this was asked before hillary's "suspension" and endorsement... i think the admins need to take that into consideration....this was not a strong possibility last month, and the fact that a lot of people bet in the last week based on their "thing" in unity tonight, yes or no, is of no consequence to the original spirit of the question.... this should definitely settle as yes....

what's more:
the last minute betting based on a percieved "no" is a gross mistrust in the suspension and settlement of questions.... taken in the aforementioned history of this question... it borders on gaming and cheating to bet after an event has percieved to have happened, or not happened.... and these last minute bets seem to never get challenged on addressed or voided, as clearly stated in HD rules....

@dieseldog - ROTFL!!!

While totally unrelated, I have a feeling that this same conversation is going to happen over the next few days with my Zimbabwe question (major wagering in final days, while question was created some time ago, with clear settlement details, etc). But, we'll save that for another day.

Well, I can't wait up all night to see how this turns out...tempting as it is.

Good luck, everyone!

I believe that I've hit all the links listed here, being news sites, they are not static so the original placement has changed and I can't find any video. From what I've seen though, Hillary and Barack were captured shaking two hands below their heads and waving two hands above their heads but not waving for hands or shaking two above. I'm ok with losing the relatively low amount I have wagered in this market if it's truly lost but I haven't seen any quantifyable evidence that this market has should be settled. Again, I'm ok if it should be but somebody show me the picture or video.

At the very real risk of aggravating at least half the folks already wagering on this, I did have in mind the kind of pose that Mork is describing above in # 45. I don't know if it will happen now or not, I think today would have been the best, most logical time to see it, but a couple of days still remain before the first, maybe they will strike a pose like this, this weekend, although I have to think that if Obama does not intend to ask Senator Clinton to join him on the ticket that he may save this gesture for his eventual running mate.

1st 3 videos of the "unity meeting".

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama%20clinton%20in%20unity%20nh&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

video starts with them on stage togeather waving. then start watching at the 3 minute mark...then again at the very end. those things that happen are in the settlement details. no where does it say they have to "only" to the pose posted in the other links. theres more reasons given to settle than just that particluar pose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHIvuKdFAWw

one reason to settle in settlent details....The market will be settled as a yes if both Clinton and Obama are on the same stage clasping hands and waving them. that clearly happens more than once.

I believe slide 116 is very strong for a yes settlement. http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Barack-Obama-Democratic-presidential-candidate-US-PRESIDENTIAL-ELECTION-CAMPAIGN-Senator-Barack-Obama/ss/events/pl/020807obama/im:/080627/ids_photos_ts/r80832907.jpg/#photoViewer=/080627/480/dcdf82ed11d34490abc2c519eb26b0d0

"The market will be settled as a yes if both Clinton and Obama are on the same stage clasping hands and waving them, OR both on stage with all four arms waving."

If slide 116 is the best you got then I would say it didn't happen.
Condition 1: "same stage clasping hands and waving them" ; No hand clasping is evident in the picture 116
Condition 2: "both on stage with all four arms waving."; 1+1=2

A couple comments here:
1) @dd - You may have misunderstood Ryan's earlier comment. Its not that you have to use video to settle this market, its just that the pictures sent earlier don't meet fit the pose required to settle. So pictures are fine to settle, as long as they're the RIGHT pictures!

2) The question asks about a "classic holding hands lifted arms" pose. That is A PARTICULAR pose, not just any happy waving. (Here's a better example than my last: http://images.inmagine.com/168nwm/photoalto/paa084/paa084000062.jpg ) That pose is seen often with running mates and rarely otherwise. There were certainly many other happy, friendly poses yesterday, but to my view at no time were there 4 hands in the air waving or hands held while the other two were up.

3) @tocm - I'm not sure what you think was dishonest about the betting going on here. This market has been open since well before Hillary conceded. There has been a lot of news in the past month to swing this market wildly back and forth. Because the suspend date is nigh, it seems less and less likely that this can happen by the suspend date -- but I do NOT see how there has been any dishonest betting here. The market was not even set to suspend yet. Bets are just changing with the updated circumstances. Much more frustrating to me is when people bet after an event is KNOWN (i.e. nuclear reactor) rather than just likely (the case here).

4) Our discussions here are really quite moot. Its been suspended and thrown over the fence to Ryan. We'll see what he has to say shortly -- or not -- it IS a Saturday morning! :)

5) As stated earlier, I've withdrawn from this market, so this is fully my opinion w/o h$ talking for me.

Hi everyone,

After looking at the comments, the videos and the images none of the quantifiable evidence has shown that the required pose occurred during the speech. I also want to thank everyone in the comments for not getting agitated. In previous arguments we've had "comment fights" breakout and that's never what is intended although us Hubdub admins do grab some popcorn and watch the insults fly... It's good to see that everyone was calm and cool, I hope this type of teamwork spreads as it would make administering so much easier.

Cheers,

Ryan
Hubdub Category Editor

This market has been reopened

Ryan said: "After looking at the comments, the videos and the images none of the quantifiable evidence has shown that the required pose occurred during the speech."

@Jenni
I was speaking in general terms, just pointing out that this market did have a spike just before suspension.... I wasn't accusing anyone of anything....just pointing to the frequent spikes, exactly like the reactor thing.....sorry if i was misunderstood

well i see ryan has spoken. i guess i could give the admins a reason to get the popcorn out, by going balistic on him..tee hee. i'll leave that up to other people. good job ryan. have a nice day all.