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Will Hubdub hit 7500 users by June 15, 2008?

Settled as No

After reviewing the new sign-ups there are around 10-15 that were clearly fraudulent (I'll not detail how we know but there are range of factors I've looked at). Discounting the fraudulent ones this question settles as No. I am in favor of keeping these questions but if we find that in the next instance that they drive fraudulent sign-ups then we will have to place them on the black list.

Background:

Assuming that an average of ~30 users a day join Hubdub, it's a 50/50 chance of hitting 7500 by 6-15-08.


Settlement details: As reported by a major mainstream news source.

 
Forecast history, %
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Settled

Yes
69%
No
31%
Activity: H$93,365
Settled as No on Mon 16th Jun 7:57am PDT

Suspend date: Mon 16th Jun 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Mon 16th Jun 7:57am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Sun 15th Jun 11:59pm PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled

Initial likelihoods: Yes: 50%

Action history:

Created Tue 3rd Jun 5:36am PDT by crowe
Settlement requested Sun 15th Jun 7:24am PDT by curios: on the same criteria of the chinese earthquake dead prediction this must be settled it is usurers (by the 15th june) and we are 23 short
Clarified Sun 15th Jun 5:26pm PDT by nigeleccles[Admin]: We will check to see if there is suspicious account creation before settlement. Currently 'by' means inclusive of the date referred to.
Suspended Sun 15th Jun 9:51pm PDT by newswrangler[Power User]: Suspended pending settlement
Settlement requested Sun 15th Jun 9:51pm PDT by newswrangler[Power User]:
(sigh) 7,500 "users" have been reached.

Having watched this over the past few days, there are, in my view, several questionable user accounts that were created.

I suggest that these types of questions not be allowed go forward, and the other existing markets asking this question be voided.
(market suspended)
Settled as 'No' Mon 16th Jun 7:57am PDT by nigeleccles[Admin]: After reviewing the new sign-ups there are around 10-15 that were clearly fraudulent (I'll not detail how we know but there are range of factors I've looked at). Discounting the fraudulent ones this question settles as No. I am in favor of keeping these questions but if we find that in the next instance that they drive fraudulent sign-ups then we will have to place them on the black list.

Suspend date: Mon 16th Jun 12:59am PDT Settlement date: Mon 16th Jun 7:57am PDTPrediction cut-off: Predictions on this question after Sun 15th Jun 11:59pm PDT have been voided because they were made after the question could be settled
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Predictions (131)

131 predictions

24 weeks ago
jaspersoddity predicted No (H$100 at 31%)
24 weeks ago
cjg999 predicted No (H$20 at 25%)
24 weeks ago
monkeynacho predicted No (H$20 at 25%)
24 weeks ago
markbc predicted Yes (H$100 at 75%)
24 weeks ago
curios predicted No (H$100 at 25%)
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Comments (40)

  1 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7111
10:54 a.m. 6-3-08
posted 26 weeks ago
  2 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7137
7:28 a.m. 6-4-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  3 stephen
11 days and about 400 users to go
posted 25 weeks ago
  4 stephen
likely not gonna happen
posted 25 weeks ago
  5 crowe
actually, it's less than 300 with 11 days to go.
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7204
4:57 p.m. CST 6-4-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  6 stephen
wow your right
i saw like 7174 and was like 400! and bet a bunch on no
now im reconsidering
posted 25 weeks ago
Hubdub got some good press today on punditwatch:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/06/04/hubdub-launches-punditwatch-we-dont-do-so-well-so-far/

That usually causes a nice surge in users. I think its about 80 today so far...
posted 25 weeks ago
Another view on PunditWatch:

<http://venturebeat.com/2008/06/04/punditwatch-interesting-fun-but-slightly-flawed/>

Albeit, it's often said that "all press is good press ... "
posted 25 weeks ago
I have seen a few of these questions, and after looking around I still have no idea where to find the # of hubdub users.
Can anyone help?
posted 25 weeks ago
  10 dieseldog
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7204 <----- open that link. then in click in the addy bar twice. then back space say the "04" and put in higher numbers, hit enter and see if you get another user. if it opens to a page with no user name then you know how high they are at that moment.
posted 25 weeks ago
  11 dieseldog
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7226 <--- 2:31 est 6-5-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  12 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7259
4:41p.m. 6-5-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  13 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7270
7:15 a.m. CST 6-6-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  14 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7281
6:42p.m. CST 6-6-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  15 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7297
4:47 p.m. CST 6-7-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  16 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7310
12:36 p.m. CST 6-8-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  17 crowe
180 users remain to reach 7500.... divide that by 7.5 days... means we need an avg. of 24 users a day to join before the end of June 15th.
posted 25 weeks ago
I'm not flagging this, but a lot of the "users" who show up on the "All Time Net Worth" Leader Board aren't really users. Apparently they are folks who signed up but never replied to the confirmation e-mail. This came up in a thread on gaming on the GetSatisfaction forum a couple of months ago.

Having said that I think the intent of this question is quite clear and the market should be allowed to go forward.
posted 25 weeks ago
  19 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7339
10:48 a.m. CST 6-9-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  20 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7361
6:43 a.m. CST 6-10-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  21 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7380
1:34 p.m. CST 6-11-08
posted 25 weeks ago
  22 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7403
6:38 a.m. CST 6-11-08
posted 24 weeks ago
  23 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7426
7:09 a.m. CST 6-12-08
posted 24 weeks ago
  24 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7440
7:02 p.m. CST 6-12-08

60 to go - 3 days left!
posted 24 weeks ago
  25 cjg999
Isn't it only 2 days? I think "by" is interpreted to be by midnight of the previous day, if so that'd be midnight on June 14th.
posted 24 weeks ago
"By" is inclusive of the day. As in "US tax returns are due BY April 15th" ... includes all of April 15th.
"Before June 15th" would mean 12:59:59PM on June 14th."

"On or before" is often a good way to describe dated events such as this.
posted 24 weeks ago
  27 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7454
9:43 a.m. CST 6-013-08
posted 24 weeks ago
  28 cjg999
newswrangler - thanks for the clarification, I remembered reading the discussion on that in the rules awhile back - I guess I confused "by" with "before".

So, now we are down to only 45 needed with about 50 hours left.
posted 24 weeks ago
  29 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7467
7:43 a.m. CST 6-14-08
posted 24 weeks ago
  30 hubdubbob
I wonder how many are "active" users.
posted 24 weeks ago
  31 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7475
6:00 p.m. CST 6-14-08

25 to go with ~30 hours left!!! Ooooooh... what a nailbiter!!!
posted 24 weeks ago
  32 sdchargers[Power User]
cant one person create 25 new accounts in a matter of minutes?
posted 24 weeks ago
  33 mork[Power User]
That person would be subject to the rules regarding gaming.
posted 24 weeks ago
  34 sdchargers[Power User]
I was hoping that would be the answer. I know that some users have family members with more than one account in household, and it got me thinking whats to stop someone from simply creating a ton of accounts just to spike the # of users for this question and similar ones that has been asked.
I am not accusing anyone here of doing this, just a thought that came to mind after seeing this question.
Does hubdub have a way to monitor/track this (accounts per IP address/Household)
It seems like all these questions end up being YES, well maybe except for tomg's asking for 50k users by October 2008.
That might be difficult, but I hope that one settles as YES also...lol
posted 24 weeks ago
  35 mork[Power User]
@sdchargers
I think your concerns will be best addressed if you use the 'contact us' link at the bottom of this page.
posted 24 weeks ago
  36 curios
i am usually wrong but i thought that by meant before and on would mean the day?
posted 24 weeks ago
  37 crowe
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_7486
11:06 a.m. CST 6-15-08

14 to go!
posted 24 weeks ago
  38 dieseldog
@nigeleccles..if theres accounts being made just to get to 7500 is this then void?
posted 24 weeks ago
same concerns here - I canceled my wager because I see the potential for manipulation to swing the outcome to "yes". I'm not saying this is the case, but it seems possible that it could happen.
posted 24 weeks ago
  40 bcguelph
Which is why hubdub should end all questions which can be manipulated by users.
posted 24 weeks ago

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