Will anyone survive the Philippine ferry disaster after being trapped inside?

I have a feeling this could get confusing.
The initial question references a story which states that there had been 33 survivors.

Since then, I've seen several different reports...

"Only 38 ferry survivors have been found"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080623/ap_on_re_as/philippines_typhoon

"Rescuers have found at least 34 survivors"
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/23/11-dead-34-survivors-recovered-from-ferry-accident/

"At least 20 new survivors and 15 bodies were found close to Masbate island"
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSMAN9076220080623

Hmmmmmm....

This question refers to people who would be trapped inside the capsized vessel and then escape and survive.
The current number is zero.

I think I understood the question. Just trying to clarify for a fair settlement. If there were initially 33 survivors and a story released this afternoon says that "20 new survivors were found" making the count more than 50 (in the same news source), then that would seem to be more than zero.

Just thought it seemed confusing with different news sources reporting different numbers and at least one source reporting higher numbers (with 20 of those being "new survivors" and taking the total to around 50)...the question didn't ask how many would escape on their own, be rescued by divers rescue teams or whatever...just how many survivors there will be.

Hopefully new reports will come out soon with more clear information (and hopefully good news).

OH yeah. I see what you're saying Mr.
When I made this question I was thinking that if anybody is rescued or has spent anytime inside the capsized ferry, their stories would be significant and any news articles would specifically speak of the fact that they had been inside the capsized ferry.

Divers will try to enter capsized ship off Philippines

By PAUL ALEXANDER – 3 hours ago

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Two teams of rescuers prepared Monday to dive into typhoon-roiled waters off the Philippines to find a way inside a capsized ferry in a desperate effort to locate some 800 people believed to be aboard.

Story contains updated counts on the number of passengers aboard, number of survivors counted so far, announced death benefit.

<http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h_3yhnZvsE90p8kvwkFoSW99kjIgD91FUI680>

I understand the question to be the number of survivors, if any, found as a result of the teams of rescuers, referenced in the above comment [#5].

Oh sure, newswrangler, throw in even more numbers! :)
From your link...

Only 38 ferry survivors have been found, including 28 who drifted at sea for more than 24 hours, first in a life raft, then in life jackets, before they were found Sunday about 80 miles to the north in eastern Quezon province.
The coast guard said it was checking a survivor's report that at least one group of people — some dead, some alive — had been spotted bobbing in the sea.
Six bodies, including those of a man and woman who had bound themselves together, have washed ashore, along with children's slippers and life jackets.

Maybe I misunderstood, but the initial story reported only reported that there were rescues searches going on and that "A U.S. Navy ship equipped with helicopters will soon join the search and rescue effort." The rescue divers came in to the picture later. I guess I interpreted this as how many survivors will there be, beyond those initially reported (33)?" (regardless of whether or not they were found by rescuers, survived by floating at sea, etc).
Perhaps what is not clear is whether those who "survived" by floating at sea had initially been trapped or what?

Sorry Mrperfkt. My intention is to refer to people who would have been trapped inside the vessel when this question was published.
There were already reported survivors when I made this question.
At this stage in the game I suspect it can only apply to people who may become rescued.

Hi,

I've clarified the market to make Mork's intentions with this market clear.

"The market relates to survivors who were within the capsized ferry, not survivors who got out prior to the capsize."

I think this should make settlement easier, although it should be known that some of the already reported survivors may have actually gotten out of the capsized ferry via the hole in the hull.

Regards,

Ryan
Hubdub Category Editor

since the market has been "clarified" why not void and repost? even mork says he had differnt intentions when the question was first posted.

Hi,

I believe Mork's intention has been the same all along, it was just that the market required some clarification. I have though voided your bet.

Regards,

Ryan
Hubdub Category Editor

mucho gracis ryan.

Okay, now how is it that only certain users wagers get voided? Shouldn't the same rules apply to everyone?

Comment #9 above - "although it should be known that some of the already reported survivors may have actually gotten out of the capsized ferry via the hole in the hull." So, are those individuals counted (they did survive after being trapped inside) and how is it determined how many of the already reported survivors meet that criteria?

Sorry Mork! Didn't mean to complicate your question. However, I wagered large amounts of H$ on this and just want to see a fair and reasonable settlement.

Hi,

The only way we can see if survivors got out of the capsized ferry is by news reports. So far I haven't seen any reports indicating this, and the rescue operations are sadly turning into a recovery operation. Anyway though, anyone's open to ask for their predictions to be voided if they feel the clarifications have changed the way they interpreted the market.

Regards,

Ryan
Hubdub Category Editor

I don't want to ruin Mork's question by a total void. However, I definitely had a different interpretation when I wagered (perhaps that's my own fault). If a void of my wagers are possible, I would appreciate that.
If not, c'est la vie.

If anyone can produce a news article speaking of survivors which were "trapped inside the capsized ferry." it will be considered for settlement.
The settlement details include only this one additional sentence: "All numbers refer to people who survive after being trapped inside the capsized ferry. "
From the news reports I have seen the number is zero.
I'm not sure how this got misunderstood.

When I voted on this question, I fully understood the intent of the question to be someone being found INSIDE the ferry alive. I voted with that point in mind and therefore would have no issue with it being settled as NONE. I voted (and expected) for between 1 and 10 people to be found alive and therefore I am all for settling against my vote. I think the question was worded clearly enough and there is no need for a void.